What You Shouldnt Be Able To Do With Your Tire.
Legend
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From: Central Oklahoma
Polyurethane bushings are great, but you've got to keep them greased or else they squeak like crazy. You're probably best off with some OEM rubber bushings.
And no Moog ball joints. Apparently people that keep recommending them have never seen the inside of one. XRF for the ball joints. Moog TRE's are okay, but you're paying for the name. Most places offer a house brand with the same quality and warranty for a fraction of the cost.
And no Moog ball joints. Apparently people that keep recommending them have never seen the inside of one. XRF for the ball joints. Moog TRE's are okay, but you're paying for the name. Most places offer a house brand with the same quality and warranty for a fraction of the cost.
What makes XRF superior to Moog, and what's wrong with the inside of Moog ball joints?
Hmmm, just found this discussion forum http://www.thedieselstop.com/forums/...spicer-149883/
and this post was most intriguing:
Jason,
Personally, I don't even consider MOOG anymore. I've heard of XRF parts and plan on using either them or Spicer next time I need suspension parts. I learned about XRF several years ago, and I believe they even make replacement ball-joints for the failure prone factory ball-joints on military and civilian Humvee/Hummer H1s. From what I've gathered, the XRF parts are the 'real deal.' XRF has a website and it's www.xrfautoparts.com
One of the most important things I look at when buying ball-joints and tie-rods is the grease boot. I look for joints with attached seals. From what I've researched, the only companies which actually have good seals are Ford, Spicer's premium stuff, and XRF. Don't forget that most aftermarket companies (MOOG) still sell ball-joints with the type of seals which Ford abandoned and even had a TSB about. The seals led to accelerated ball-joint wear and failure, due to their inability to keep the joint protected.
Hope it helps,
K.N.
Personally, I don't even consider MOOG anymore. I've heard of XRF parts and plan on using either them or Spicer next time I need suspension parts. I learned about XRF several years ago, and I believe they even make replacement ball-joints for the failure prone factory ball-joints on military and civilian Humvee/Hummer H1s. From what I've gathered, the XRF parts are the 'real deal.' XRF has a website and it's www.xrfautoparts.com
One of the most important things I look at when buying ball-joints and tie-rods is the grease boot. I look for joints with attached seals. From what I've researched, the only companies which actually have good seals are Ford, Spicer's premium stuff, and XRF. Don't forget that most aftermarket companies (MOOG) still sell ball-joints with the type of seals which Ford abandoned and even had a TSB about. The seals led to accelerated ball-joint wear and failure, due to their inability to keep the joint protected.
Hope it helps,
K.N.
Last edited by Gary-L; Oct 1, 2010 at 02:49 PM.
Grand Champion
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http://carlisuspension.blogspot.com/...og-lowers.html
Spicer (OEM) are good too. Moog designs their parts to cut costs and so they have fewer warranty issues. The problem is it sacrifices the overall quality and performance of the product.
Spicer (OEM) are good too. Moog designs their parts to cut costs and so they have fewer warranty issues. The problem is it sacrifices the overall quality and performance of the product.
Record Breaker
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From: Ontario Canada
Put Energy Suspension poly bushings in my Indy I did have an issue. With the uppers they supplied the incorrect sized inner sleeves (ID too large). Bought them from energysuspsenionparts.com. Dont deal with those idiots, get them anywhere else. First email after telling them what I got & what was wrong they reply sorry you arent happy with your body mounts. Duh, then I sent very detailed info with pics of the digital mike reading & pic of the instructions stating what I should of got & still messed up & sent out the wrong parts.
Phoned energysuspenion directly & they had the right sleeves to my door in Cda from Cali in 5days. If you grease the properly when installing they wont squeek
Phoned energysuspenion directly & they had the right sleeves to my door in Cda from Cali in 5days. If you grease the properly when installing they wont squeek
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Champion
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From: Miami, Fl
Thanks for the info all the ball joints and I had heard previously not to go with MOOG so I wasnt even gonna look at them, not trying to rebuild a truck front end that will hold together as the frame rusts apart either so I dont think I will need the XFE joints either, they seem to be a more heavy duty than I need too spend money on if I had a plow or offroad bumper it would be one thing.
So RM you happy with the feel of them, and my understanding is they will stiffen it up some which I would like, not so worried about a squeek I got loud enough speakers and I think I can make sure there greased nice and good when installing.
Still want to know if anybody has had first hand experience with OE brand, the idler I had to install looked to be of good quality and is nice and tight, just trying to find out if they will last say 3 to 5 years or if they will fail at 13 months
So RM you happy with the feel of them, and my understanding is they will stiffen it up some which I would like, not so worried about a squeek I got loud enough speakers and I think I can make sure there greased nice and good when installing.
Still want to know if anybody has had first hand experience with OE brand, the idler I had to install looked to be of good quality and is nice and tight, just trying to find out if they will last say 3 to 5 years or if they will fail at 13 months
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I did a little lookin' and The Tire Club has a full set of million mile warranty XRF's for $169 with free shipping. The Advance house brand will run you close to $250 with only a 1 year warranty.
Contact XRF directly as they're usually even cheaper.
Contact XRF directly as they're usually even cheaper.
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From: Jefferson Ga
Mine is going bad too, but it doesn't have that much play yet, just the tie rod end scraping the sway bar. To the OP, did your steering wheel feel like it was floating when you were driving? any death wobble?
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Champion
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No noticed no ill effects from it just heard it scraping the frame one day, was doing about 80 maybe a little more a couple hours before that video and there was no death wobble maybe I was lucky...who knows, havent had any other problems with it since the fix
And the its pretty easy to take off and put back in dont even have to jack the truck up
And the its pretty easy to take off and put back in dont even have to jack the truck up
