E85 Gas
#11
I have had bad experiences with E85 the ethanol gums up your fuel tank and fuel lines over time and definitely fouls the plugs . It happened in by boat and in my buddies Avalanche. If you do the math you will see the amount you save versus the MPG you lose pretty much comes out even if you were to use 87 octane. So is an extra $10 saved at the tank worth future problems? That is something you must decide. I will never put that **** in vechicles again. I drive 20 miles out of way and buy ethanol free gas at 5 cents more per gallon. I average 21-22 in town and 24-25 on the highway. My two cents.
Are your boat and avalanche both e85 vehicles? if they dont say it on the gas cap or near it you cant just put it in your tank.
e85 vehicles are built to be able to use it so the gumming doesnt happen
#12
Should have made myself more clear. The Avalanche is rated for E85 fuel. As far as the boat no it is not, I never put E85 in the boat. The problems on the boat were caused by using fuel that had ethonal in the fuel. It is a well documented problem in the boating world. Not much most people can do about buying gas with some ethonal in it, since that's what 99.9% of the stations sell. My point is with what I have experienced I choose to not use E85 or fuel with ethonal in it on a regular basis. Regardless of the price you pay , ethonal contains less energy than gas. This means that your car won't go as far on a gallon of E85, and your fuel economy will decrease by 20-30 percent.
#13
Cars/trucks that are made for e85 shouldn't have any problems running it. I use it in my D and my wife's Regal turbo with zero issues. I've done a lot of research on the subject and although there is a fuel economy loss due to e85, the performance gains are there and in my area the price difference is enough to make it worth while.
#14
Someone commented that every grade has at least 10% ethanol but that is not the case, at least not everywhere. Here in SD (6th highest ethanol producing state and bordering #1, #2, and #4) we can get 0%, 10%, 85% and they're starting to put in blender pumps which allow several other percentages. I like the idea of any fuel that helps us become energy independent. Between electric, ethanol, shale/sand oil, and increasing mileage, I am optimistic. That said, I don't think I'd use E85 myself even though one our three cars is capable.
#15
I do not use e85 in my durango as I have the 5.7l, but I do use e85 in my Gov patrol car everyday. I can tell you that in my Govy Impala, I get about 11 miles per gallon and what others have stated about gumming up parts of the fuel tank is quite true. It has gotten so bad in some patrol cars, fuel will not steadily flow into the tank because of a build up on the sensors on the top of the tank. This issue has been addressed several times with our motor pool. They have told us that is inevitable that the build up will occur and we will have to deal with every few thousand miles. I am sure some people can attest to the problems at the pump. As for performance, our newer cars do not seem to be affected much by it, but the older impalas have always been sluggish.
#16
Should have made myself more clear. The Avalanche is rated for E85 fuel. As far as the boat no it is not, I never put E85 in the boat. The problems on the boat were caused by using fuel that had ethonal in the fuel. It is a well documented problem in the boating world. Not much most people can do about buying gas with some ethonal in it, since that's what 99.9% of the stations sell. My point is with what I have experienced I choose to not use E85 or fuel with ethonal in it on a regular basis. Regardless of the price you pay , ethonal contains less energy than gas. This means that your car won't go as far on a gallon of E85, and your fuel economy will decrease by 20-30 percent.
#17
Ethanol in gasoline is a mandate set up by the Federal government so the producers of the junk will have a market for it! It's bad enough the taxpayers have billions of $$$ invested in the form of subsidies for a product no body wants and the producers get to keep all the profit! Must be nice to be in the ethanol business!!!
Yeah, is it the best? Not always. But it's still a renewable product that is doing something to help the issue of dependance on oil.
I grow corn, so I use it. I has done wonders for the corn industry. Has it hurt the livestock industry? Not one bit. Dried Distillers Grain is a by product from ethanol that has much higher nutrient value than straight corn. It's so popular that it's almost hard to get some.
Get the facts.
#18
E85 is a waste of time.
It has less chemical bounds and thus energy per liter of product, to the point that you need to pay it about 30% less than regular petrol to break even energy-wise.
And the fact that it has higher octane value does not mean a thing in terms of power or energy. It is a poor fuel when compared to real and pure Petrol (Gas).
The cherry on the cake is that vehicles not specifically engineered for using E85 may suffer several problems in the sealing of the tank and the gas pipes.
Depending on where you live there might be much better alternatives.
LPG is the best one in the EU, because it is not taxed, it comes at 0.55 €/liter (the equivalent of $2 for a US Gallon), without loss of power and only minimal loss of mileage (10-20% depending on the quality of your LPG system). And a 90 Liters LPG tank can be mounted in place of the spare tire on the DD.
CNG is even cheaper (if not taxed) but the engine loses some power, not a big deal though. The CNG tank however takes up space in the trunk if the vehicle does not come factory equipped. This is a major pain in the neck for most.
It has less chemical bounds and thus energy per liter of product, to the point that you need to pay it about 30% less than regular petrol to break even energy-wise.
And the fact that it has higher octane value does not mean a thing in terms of power or energy. It is a poor fuel when compared to real and pure Petrol (Gas).
The cherry on the cake is that vehicles not specifically engineered for using E85 may suffer several problems in the sealing of the tank and the gas pipes.
Depending on where you live there might be much better alternatives.
LPG is the best one in the EU, because it is not taxed, it comes at 0.55 €/liter (the equivalent of $2 for a US Gallon), without loss of power and only minimal loss of mileage (10-20% depending on the quality of your LPG system). And a 90 Liters LPG tank can be mounted in place of the spare tire on the DD.
CNG is even cheaper (if not taxed) but the engine loses some power, not a big deal though. The CNG tank however takes up space in the trunk if the vehicle does not come factory equipped. This is a major pain in the neck for most.
Last edited by nicola.dinisio; 02-16-2015 at 04:11 PM.
#19
I used to like the idea of E85 since it supports energy independence from unfriendly nations. Then I talked to a service manager who said that he would never advise using E85 unless you always run the vehicle long enough to fully warm up. If you use a car in town for short runs, you will foul out the plugs. One of our cars takes E85, but have never and never will run E85 in it. Perhaps E15 or E20 would be a workable compromise.