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Old May 27, 2012 | 05:17 PM
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Bought an 02, with 4.7 from a lot. Owner just said needs motor no explanation why. Motor turns over but very hard. Oil on stick looks normal. Im new to these motors. Anything i can check to see if maybe it just jumped timing, or its something else? If its a head gasket it would still start and just run rough, no?
 
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Old May 27, 2012 | 10:43 PM
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4.7s have a bad issue of overheating and blowing head gaskets or cracking heads. Why not ask the owner more questions as to why it needs a motor. It wont change the fact that it needs one.
 
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Old May 29, 2012 | 11:02 PM
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ok you bought a truck where the owner says needs new engine and now is not the time to touble shoot a possible quick fix. Start with pricing out a new rebuilt 4.7 or a used 4.7 from a wrecker, now you have a ball park number on the high side of expenses.

air flue mixture, spark and compression are the three basics.

I would start with pulling out the plugs ( only 8 in your year of 4.7 ) Sparkplugs can tell you a lot in short period of time, A hynes dodge ram manual will give you the break down on the 4.7 and will have pics of spark plugs you can cross referance.

if all 8 cy are sparking and all eight injectors are working and the engine is turning over but not running, I would suspect the timming chain, you can turn over the engine by hand with a socket and a large breaker bar on the harmonic ballancer, ( timming chain aligns the camshaft to the crank shaft ( read the a haynes manual ) remove fan belt, if rotation is free and easy, than chances are good that the engine inturnals are ok.

as for the ecm ( coumputer which regulates spark and air flue mixture) I don;t have the xperties to go thier with trouble shooting.

Thiers a whealth of knowledge on this fourm so keep on checking!!
 

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Old May 31, 2012 | 06:34 PM
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Thanks for the tips. The only thing i had time to do so far is squirt some starter fluid(didnt do anything). going to try your suggesting this week. I had an 02 previously that overheated and blew gasket/cracked head but still started and ran(with a miss and smoke of course) If the internals were bad in this new one, it would still at least start and knock wouldnt it?
 
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Old Jun 2, 2012 | 09:44 AM
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really depends on how hard it is to turn over... pretty sure these motors have to spin a certain amount of rpm before the iginition system will allow it to start. if it's that hard to turn over you're probably looking at a problem with the bottom end of the engine, but that just my opinion. good luck.
 
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Old Jun 2, 2012 | 11:37 AM
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Did you ask the seller why he thinks/knows it needs a new engine?
 
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Old Jun 2, 2012 | 04:46 PM
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Bought the truck off a lot. All the owner said when i asked was it needed a motor, not a real chatty fella. Took 2 drivers side plugs out, put a plug in the wire and turned the truck over. didnt see the plugs sparking. Also the 2 old plugs were wore down even with the ceramic. When i turned it over with the plugs out i could hear the compression popping. im having it towed to a shop. I might get lucky and it only needs an ecm or it jumped timing. Motors around here are $1500.
 
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