Turbo
I've never understood superchargers. You have to belt drive them, automatically taking power from the engine to make power for the wheels. A turbo runs off your exhaust, which you're gonna have anyways! How is it even a competition??
because the superchargers powerband is in sync or proportional to the engine speed, in other words no boost lag, you can get way more power out of a decent sueprcharger than what it takes to spin the thing, turboes especially twin turboes are sweet as hell, the lil one picks her up off the line and once u get goin, turbo number 2 just throws you across the finish line. the turbo lag is why people do the twins to keep up w/ the off the line power a sueprcharger makes
i am preetty sure 7000 hp top fuel dragsters are supercharged!!ya the ones that go 0-300 in less than 4 seconds. not that it mattters for our trucks but why wouldnt they use turbos if more power is to be made?
ive always been toldthat superchargers are better for racing applications (like a track only car that is trailered in and out, not street legal, etc.) but turbos are more streetable.
ORIGINAL: deanj287
ya its called sequential turbos. one runs at all times in the low end of the rpm range and the other one comes in about half way through the rpms for max power. turbo one feeds into turbo 2 etc.. its still more piping and work then the out come would prob. be worth. the limiting factor becomes your wallet and the amazingly strong tranny and engine block (sarcasm) of the truck. the cost of two turbos vs one is another. if you have the money go for it ( post some pics)
( REMEMBER THERE IS ONLY ONE INTAKE MANIFOLD ON THE CAR!!!!!).
ORIGINAL: deanj287
i am preetty sure 7000 hp top fuel dragsters are supercharged!! ya the ones that go 0-300 in less than 4 seconds. not that it mattters for our trucks but why wouldnt they use turbos if more power is to be made?
i am preetty sure 7000 hp top fuel dragsters are supercharged!! ya the ones that go 0-300 in less than 4 seconds. not that it mattters for our trucks but why wouldnt they use turbos if more power is to be made?
Only twin screw/roots superchagers make some psi at lower rpms. The centrifical superchargers need rpm just like a turbo.
Power braking the STS/SMT system gives full boost in 1st gear.
The dragsters use twin screw/roots superchargers. But superchargers need hp to run them, unlike a turbo. Since the dragsters are making so much power, the 900 hp it takes to run them doesn't matter.
On small engines like ours, the loss of hp is noticeable.
For example;
If a turbo motor makes 500 hp, it puts 500 hp to the drivetrain.
If a sc motor makes 500hp, it puts 500 minus what it takes to turn the sc, to the drivetrain.
Our motor, without internal modifications of forged parts especially in the shortblock, can safely handle around 7-8lbs of boost.
A sc will have to make more boost to equal a turbo's hp output, so if a turbo is making 8lbs and a supercharger is making 8lbs, then the turbo is making more power to the wheels.
I make 450+ to the tires at 8.5lbs of boost. With drivetrain loss, that means the motor is making around 525-530hp.
Personally, I love twin screw superchargers, but they are not as good on the street for a daily driver and they are easier on the parts of the engine and drivetrain.
If you want to read some really interesting information on top fuel engines, go here
http://www.motortrend.com/features/c..._fuel_numbers/
Power braking the STS/SMT system gives full boost in 1st gear.
The dragsters use twin screw/roots superchargers. But superchargers need hp to run them, unlike a turbo. Since the dragsters are making so much power, the 900 hp it takes to run them doesn't matter.
On small engines like ours, the loss of hp is noticeable.
For example;
If a turbo motor makes 500 hp, it puts 500 hp to the drivetrain.
If a sc motor makes 500hp, it puts 500 minus what it takes to turn the sc, to the drivetrain.
Our motor, without internal modifications of forged parts especially in the shortblock, can safely handle around 7-8lbs of boost.
A sc will have to make more boost to equal a turbo's hp output, so if a turbo is making 8lbs and a supercharger is making 8lbs, then the turbo is making more power to the wheels.
I make 450+ to the tires at 8.5lbs of boost. With drivetrain loss, that means the motor is making around 525-530hp.
Personally, I love twin screw superchargers, but they are not as good on the street for a daily driver and they are easier on the parts of the engine and drivetrain.
If you want to read some really interesting information on top fuel engines, go here
http://www.motortrend.com/features/c..._fuel_numbers/
IVE GOT AN IDEA LETS JUST RUN BOTH ON ONE TRUCK LETS PUT A SUPERCHARGER ON AND A TURBO, THEREFORE YOUCAN RUN A MASSIVE TURBO BUT HAVE NO TURBO LAG BECAUSE OF THE SUPERCHARGER!!! LOL!!!
I HAVE THE PAXTON SUPERCHARGER AND I LOVE IT. YEAH IT ROBS ME OF PROBABLY 10-15 HP BEING BELT DRIVEN BUT SO DOES YOUR ALTERNATOR THE MAGNETIC FIELD IN AND ALTERNATOR TAKES MORE POWER TO TURN THAN A SUPERCHARGER SO WHY DONT WE JUST TAKE ARE ALTERNATORS OFF TOO!!!!!!!!!! THE FIGHT OVER TURBO VS. SUPERCHARGER WILL ALWAYS BE THERE ON MY TRUCK I WOULDNT WANT A TURBO THE SUPERCAHRGER IS ENOUGH ITS QUIETER AND IT DOESNT HAVE A BUNCH OF PIPING RUNNING UNDER THE HOOD. NOT TO MENTION I DIDNT HAVE TO SPEND $900 ON CUSTOM EXHAUST WORK. ALL I HAD TO DO IS BOLT IT ON!!! BUT I REALLY DONT CARE WHAT YOU IMPORT TUNERS WITH A DODGE FETISH DO TO YOUR RAM JUST HAVE FUN DOING IT THATS ALL THAT MATTERS!!!!
I HAVE THE PAXTON SUPERCHARGER AND I LOVE IT. YEAH IT ROBS ME OF PROBABLY 10-15 HP BEING BELT DRIVEN BUT SO DOES YOUR ALTERNATOR THE MAGNETIC FIELD IN AND ALTERNATOR TAKES MORE POWER TO TURN THAN A SUPERCHARGER SO WHY DONT WE JUST TAKE ARE ALTERNATORS OFF TOO!!!!!!!!!! THE FIGHT OVER TURBO VS. SUPERCHARGER WILL ALWAYS BE THERE ON MY TRUCK I WOULDNT WANT A TURBO THE SUPERCAHRGER IS ENOUGH ITS QUIETER AND IT DOESNT HAVE A BUNCH OF PIPING RUNNING UNDER THE HOOD. NOT TO MENTION I DIDNT HAVE TO SPEND $900 ON CUSTOM EXHAUST WORK. ALL I HAD TO DO IS BOLT IT ON!!! BUT I REALLY DONT CARE WHAT YOU IMPORT TUNERS WITH A DODGE FETISH DO TO YOUR RAM JUST HAVE FUN DOING IT THATS ALL THAT MATTERS!!!!
ORIGINAL: atlaticblueram
IVE GOT AN IDEA LETS JUST RUN BOTH ON ONE TRUCK LETS PUT A SUPERCHARGER ON AND A TURBO, THEREFORE YOUCAN RUN A MASSIVE TURBO BUT HAVE NO TURBO LAG BECAUSE OF THE SUPERCHARGER!!! LOL!!!
IVE GOT AN IDEA LETS JUST RUN BOTH ON ONE TRUCK LETS PUT A SUPERCHARGER ON AND A TURBO, THEREFORE YOUCAN RUN A MASSIVE TURBO BUT HAVE NO TURBO LAG BECAUSE OF THE SUPERCHARGER!!! LOL!!!



