Mystified By My Engine
Yeah IVe had a similar issue that you are having. I also have a 4.7. They just replaced my short block because the rods were knocking. I got my truck back about 5 days ago and it still let out a puff of white smoke once the other day when i started it. But hasnt done it since. The truck is running great and everything. Here is what I believe my problem was/is I either have bad valve seals or a cracked head gasket causing oil to seap into the cylinder and give me a puff of white smoke. I had my truck stall and let out the huge cloud of white smoke a few times and then all was fine after that. I could here the clicking type sound also under acceleration. One day when I was pretty far from home I got a low oil pressure light and I took it to the dealer and I was a few quarts low. A few months later that is when I started hearing my rods knocking. So my guess is that I was slowly burning off oil little by little due to valve seals or head gasket and the low oil caused me to damage my rods. The dealer has been really good to me so far I have the 09 lifetime powertrain so this entire ordeal hasnt cost me any out of pocket so far. let me know if you have any questions
While you and a couple of others on a few different threads have raised this problem I could find no TSB, recall, or RRT on this issue. I will continue to search for a known cause and will post it here if I find anything.
Last edited by DodgeCares; Jan 10, 2012 at 09:15 AM.
Yeah IVe had a similar issue that you are having. I also have a 4.7. They just replaced my short block because the rods were knocking. I got my truck back about 5 days ago and it still let out a puff of white smoke once the other day when i started it. But hasnt done it since. The truck is running great and everything. Here is what I believe my problem was/is I either have bad valve seals or a cracked head gasket causing oil to seap into the cylinder and give me a puff of white smoke. I had my truck stall and let out the huge cloud of white smoke a few times and then all was fine after that. I could here the clicking type sound also under acceleration. One day when I was pretty far from home I got a low oil pressure light and I took it to the dealer and I was a few quarts low. A few months later that is when I started hearing my rods knocking. So my guess is that I was slowly burning off oil little by little due to valve seals or head gasket and the low oil caused me to damage my rods. The dealer has been really good to me so far I have the 09 lifetime powertrain so this entire ordeal hasnt cost me any out of pocket so far. let me know if you have any questions
When you were having your smoke puffs, knocking, etc, did your RPM's plummet to under 500? Also, mine only occasionally does this when its been running at a constant RPM for a long time (cruise control on the highway) then you let off before accelerating again (off-ramp)... Seriously, its driving me nuts... I'm worried its going to seriously damage something.
Chas,
The Lifetime Powertrain warranty is based on if you are the first owner or not. Does not matter what month the vehicle was built if it is a 2009 it originally came with a Lifetime warranty. I noticed in the thread above you mentioned it had some mileage on it when you bought it so perhaps you may not have been the original owner. If it was a dealer demo though, you should have it. If you are unsure you can PM me the VIN and I will check it for you.
The Lifetime Powertrain warranty is based on if you are the first owner or not. Does not matter what month the vehicle was built if it is a 2009 it originally came with a Lifetime warranty. I noticed in the thread above you mentioned it had some mileage on it when you bought it so perhaps you may not have been the original owner. If it was a dealer demo though, you should have it. If you are unsure you can PM me the VIN and I will check it for you.
I'm not the original owner
guess im hosed on that one...
Thats kind of what mine would do I would be on cruise control on the highway for a while would exit off and then start to go again the rpms would fall I would have a huge cloud of smoke. Can you turn your radio all the way down and see if you have a light tapping noise when your accelerating. The dealership replaced my short block under warranty but I still have the white smoke on startups. I check the oil on the dipstick more often to make sure im not losing oil because I think Im burning oil somehow and not having enough oil is why I damaged my block
Sounds like you are getting oil into the cylinders via the valve guide seals. Leaks in while it sit and then burns off at start-up. If they only did the short-block and didn't touch the heads, then it's likely you've had this issue from before. I had a GMC truck that started doing the same thing at 60k miles and I just lived with it. The truck was totaled in from of my house and it had 160k miles, 100k with the white smoke at startup.
Last edited by Pedro Dog; Feb 6, 2012 at 07:39 PM.
That depends on how many miles were already on the truck when you bought it and whether or not you were diligent in seeing to it that the 100k mile power train warranty was transferred to you. This little detail is extremely important, but so too is having regularly scheduled maintenance performed when it is due.
The remaining original factory warranty is transferrable to every subsequent owner provided the factory is notified promptly of each transfer to each successive owner. Nowadays you can even do it online.
Factory warranties, which include the original bumper-to-bumper 3/36, the 100k mile drivetrain warranty and any Chrysler Factory Extended warranty plans are all transferrable to subsequent owners provided each subsequent owner follows the required procedures to make it happen. Many people don't know this or else drop the ball in following up.
Any of these warranties can also be voided by failure to follow and perform regular maintenance items. That's not to say that these services have to be performed by a dealer, but if by someone other than the dealer then the burden is on you to maintain meticulous records & dated receipts showing what was done and when (date & mileage). If you can show that you are qualified, you can even perform many of these service items yourself, once again provided that you keep impeccable records & receipts and a log showing what you did and when you did it along with dated receipts for the required items (oil, filter, spark plugs, etc). It's against the law for them to try to force you to bring it to the dealer for service, but they can require irrefutable proof that they were performed when due. (and it's generally pretty easy to tell if it wasn't)
Tip: Photocopy the receipts as some auto parts retailers use thermal printers and their receipts fade over time and become unreadable.
The remaining original factory warranty is transferrable to every subsequent owner provided the factory is notified promptly of each transfer to each successive owner. Nowadays you can even do it online.
Factory warranties, which include the original bumper-to-bumper 3/36, the 100k mile drivetrain warranty and any Chrysler Factory Extended warranty plans are all transferrable to subsequent owners provided each subsequent owner follows the required procedures to make it happen. Many people don't know this or else drop the ball in following up.
Any of these warranties can also be voided by failure to follow and perform regular maintenance items. That's not to say that these services have to be performed by a dealer, but if by someone other than the dealer then the burden is on you to maintain meticulous records & dated receipts showing what was done and when (date & mileage). If you can show that you are qualified, you can even perform many of these service items yourself, once again provided that you keep impeccable records & receipts and a log showing what you did and when you did it along with dated receipts for the required items (oil, filter, spark plugs, etc). It's against the law for them to try to force you to bring it to the dealer for service, but they can require irrefutable proof that they were performed when due. (and it's generally pretty easy to tell if it wasn't)
Tip: Photocopy the receipts as some auto parts retailers use thermal printers and their receipts fade over time and become unreadable.
Last edited by Capn Preshoot; Feb 6, 2012 at 08:51 PM.
2009 did not have the 100k transferable powertrain warranty, that had a non-transferable lifetime powertrain warranty.
however, it is a good point that he should check in case someone had purchased an extended warranty for it.
however, it is a good point that he should check in case someone had purchased an extended warranty for it.
That depends on how many miles were already on the truck when you bought it and whether or not you were diligent in seeing to it that the 100k mile power train warranty was transferred to you. This little detail is extremely important, but so too is having regularly scheduled maintenance performed when it is due.
The remaining original factory warranty is transferrable to every subsequent owner provided the factory is notified promptly of each transfer to each successive owner. Nowadays you can even do it online.
Factory warranties, which include the original bumper-to-bumper 3/36, the 100k mile drivetrain warranty and any Chrysler Factory Extended warranty plans are all transferrable to subsequent owners provided each subsequent owner follows the required procedures to make it happen. Many people don't know this or else drop the ball in following up.
Any of these warranties can also be voided by failure to follow and perform regular maintenance items. That's not to say that these services have to be performed by a dealer, but if by someone other than the dealer then the burden is on you to maintain meticulous records & dated receipts showing what was done and when (date & mileage). If you can show that you are qualified, you can even perform many of these service items yourself, once again provided that you keep impeccable records & receipts and a log showing what you did and when you did it along with dated receipts for the required items (oil, filter, spark plugs, etc). It's against the law for them to try to force you to bring it to the dealer for service, but they can require irrefutable proof that they were performed when due. (and it's generally pretty easy to tell if it wasn't)
Tip: Photocopy the receipts as some auto parts retailers use thermal printers and their receipts fade over time and become unreadable.
The remaining original factory warranty is transferrable to every subsequent owner provided the factory is notified promptly of each transfer to each successive owner. Nowadays you can even do it online.
Factory warranties, which include the original bumper-to-bumper 3/36, the 100k mile drivetrain warranty and any Chrysler Factory Extended warranty plans are all transferrable to subsequent owners provided each subsequent owner follows the required procedures to make it happen. Many people don't know this or else drop the ball in following up.
Any of these warranties can also be voided by failure to follow and perform regular maintenance items. That's not to say that these services have to be performed by a dealer, but if by someone other than the dealer then the burden is on you to maintain meticulous records & dated receipts showing what was done and when (date & mileage). If you can show that you are qualified, you can even perform many of these service items yourself, once again provided that you keep impeccable records & receipts and a log showing what you did and when you did it along with dated receipts for the required items (oil, filter, spark plugs, etc). It's against the law for them to try to force you to bring it to the dealer for service, but they can require irrefutable proof that they were performed when due. (and it's generally pretty easy to tell if it wasn't)
Tip: Photocopy the receipts as some auto parts retailers use thermal printers and their receipts fade over time and become unreadable.
2009 did not have a 5/100 powertrain warranty that followed the vehicle. That started in 2010. The 2009 had a Lifetime Powertrain warranty that was only valid for the original owner.
If it's a Chrysler Service Contract, it can only be transferred within 60 days of purchasing the vehicle and you need the previous owners signature to transfer as they are giving up their right to a pro-rated refund by signing it over to the next owner. One other note, Chrysler Service Contracts on vehicles with a Lifetime Powertrain are not transferable at all except in the states of Florida and North Carolina, and even then the powertrain does not transfer, just the upgrade plan. So in essence, even if you could transfer the service contract on a lifetime covered vehicle by it having been purchased in one of those states, you would not have powertrain coverage.
Sounds like you are getting oil into the cylinders via the valve guide seals. Leaks in while it sit and then burns off at start-up. If they only did the short-block and didn't touch the heads, then it's likely you've had this issue from before. I had a GMC truck that started doing the same thing at 60k miles and I just lived with it. The truck was totaled in from of my house and it had 160k miles, 100k with the white smoke at startup.
Thats what im thinking is happening to. Is this something my warranty would cover(valve guide seals) I have the extended warranty also on my 09 till 70k miles. Is this something I could just live with and check the oil on the dipstick more often to make sure it doesnt get to low to do damage to the motor? Im really losing faith in the dealership to find what the cause of the failure was in the first place and I cant afford to give my truck up for 2 weeks at a time either.




