Crossfire to be discontinued this summer
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Depends on which cars you stack up against the Crossfire. If you compare the current SLK and BMW M, it is a bargin (on the SRT-6 package). You get good power for dollar. When you compare it against the 350-Z it also depends on how you look at it. The 350Z-S Tune is slower than the SRT-6, but about $7K less expensive than the SRT-6, which makes it look like a good deal until you look around. The 350Z looks like a rip off in comparison to a MustangGTwhichcosts a lot less and is significantly faster.
Depends on which cars you stack up against the Crossfire. If you compare the current SLK and BMW M, it is a bargin (on the SRT-6 package). You get good power for dollar. When you compare it against the 350-Z it also depends on how you look at it. The 350Z-S Tune is slower than the SRT-6, but about $7K less expensive than the SRT-6, which makes it look like a good deal until you look around. The 350Z looks like a rip off in comparison to a MustangGTwhichcosts a lot less and is significantly faster.
The new 350Z base price is only a few thousand more than a Mustang GT's. For that few grand extra, you get a TRUE sports car that looks way more expensive than a Mustang GT, will completely destroy one around the track or in the twisties, is less common, and is pretty much dead even in straight line acceleration. Actually, it still has a higher top-speed than the GT.
Is the new Mustang GT a good car?? Absolutely, and it's great bang for the buck. The 350Z, however, is a more complete,better all-around sportscar. It doesn't reallymatterthough, it's not like they steal sales from one another. I doubt too many customers end up being torn between buying a 350Z or a GT......
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The new 350Z base price is only a few thousand more than a Mustang GT's. For that few grand extra, you get a TRUE sports car that looks way more expensive than a Mustang GT, will completely destroy one around the track or in the twisties, is less common, and is pretty much dead even in straight line acceleration. Actually, it still has a higher top-speed than the GT.
Is the new Mustang GT a good car?? Absolutely, and it's great bang for the buck. The 350Z, however, is a more complete,better all-around sportscar. It doesn't reallymatterthough, it's not like they steal sales from one another. I doubt too many customers end up being torn between buying a 350Z or a GT......
The new 350Z base price is only a few thousand more than a Mustang GT's. For that few grand extra, you get a TRUE sports car that looks way more expensive than a Mustang GT, will completely destroy one around the track or in the twisties, is less common, and is pretty much dead even in straight line acceleration. Actually, it still has a higher top-speed than the GT.
Is the new Mustang GT a good car?? Absolutely, and it's great bang for the buck. The 350Z, however, is a more complete,better all-around sportscar. It doesn't reallymatterthough, it's not like they steal sales from one another. I doubt too many customers end up being torn between buying a 350Z or a GT......
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Again it depends on why you buy the car. If you are buying a car for the sake of quarter mile runs, then the Mustang GT is your car. I struggle to consider the 350Z a "true" sports car. Inmy mind you need either a V8 or better, or a forced air induction of a V6. When I look at the 350Z, I think to myself "this is all I get for this price tag. Yeah right, its only a Nissan." I'm not saying its a bad car, it just doesn't impress me is all.
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The new 350Z base price is only a few thousand more than a Mustang GT's. For that few grand extra, you get a TRUE sports car that looks way more expensive than a Mustang GT, will completely destroy one around the track or in the twisties, is less common, and is pretty much dead even in straight line acceleration. Actually, it still has a higher top-speed than the GT.
Is the new Mustang GT a good car?? Absolutely, and it's great bang for the buck. The 350Z, however, is a more complete,better all-around sportscar. It doesn't reallymatterthough, it's not like they steal sales from one another. I doubt too many customers end up being torn between buying a 350Z or a GT......
The new 350Z base price is only a few thousand more than a Mustang GT's. For that few grand extra, you get a TRUE sports car that looks way more expensive than a Mustang GT, will completely destroy one around the track or in the twisties, is less common, and is pretty much dead even in straight line acceleration. Actually, it still has a higher top-speed than the GT.
Is the new Mustang GT a good car?? Absolutely, and it's great bang for the buck. The 350Z, however, is a more complete,better all-around sportscar. It doesn't reallymatterthough, it's not like they steal sales from one another. I doubt too many customers end up being torn between buying a 350Z or a GT......
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RE: Crossfire to be discontinued this summer
I liked the car, would not have bought one but I did not have a hate for it. My boss has one, I can fit into it no issues and I am 6'2" 220.
One thing to remember, who was the target buyer? Middle aged, 35+ trying to get their "youth" back, which there are few of on this site. So natually most here will say I hate that thing. Actaullky most Chryslers are targeted more for the middle aged. A little more refined, and of course a little higher priced.
Why did it fail? Price and poor marketing research. While there is a demand for the middle aged get my youth back market, it is very small and already has players in the market. It is why most Chrylser products do not sell to well. Lets face it, the US buyer wants a lower priced car, that is simlar to what they are looking at, which would be called Dodge. But those same customers will bitch and moan about plastic interiors, "plastic chrome" wheels, ect. All I can say to those people are you can not have your cake and eat it too....
One thing to remember, who was the target buyer? Middle aged, 35+ trying to get their "youth" back, which there are few of on this site. So natually most here will say I hate that thing. Actaullky most Chryslers are targeted more for the middle aged. A little more refined, and of course a little higher priced.
Why did it fail? Price and poor marketing research. While there is a demand for the middle aged get my youth back market, it is very small and already has players in the market. It is why most Chrylser products do not sell to well. Lets face it, the US buyer wants a lower priced car, that is simlar to what they are looking at, which would be called Dodge. But those same customers will bitch and moan about plastic interiors, "plastic chrome" wheels, ect. All I can say to those people are you can not have your cake and eat it too....
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I liked the car, would not have bought one but I did not have a hate for it. My boss has one, I can fit into it no issues and I am 6'2" 220.
One thing to remember, who was the target buyer? Middle aged, 35+ trying to get their "youth" back, which there are few of on this site. So natually most here will say I hate that thing. Actaullky most Chryslers are targeted more for the middle aged. A little more refined, and of course a little higher priced.
Why did it fail? Price and poor marketing research. While there is a demand for the middle aged get my youth back market, it is very small and already has players in the market. It is why most Chrylser products do not sell to well. Lets face it, the US buyer wants a lower priced car, that is simlar to what they are looking at, which would be called Dodge. But those same customers will bitch and moan about plastic interiors, "plastic chrome" wheels, ect. All I can say to those people are you can not have your cake and eat it too....
I liked the car, would not have bought one but I did not have a hate for it. My boss has one, I can fit into it no issues and I am 6'2" 220.
One thing to remember, who was the target buyer? Middle aged, 35+ trying to get their "youth" back, which there are few of on this site. So natually most here will say I hate that thing. Actaullky most Chryslers are targeted more for the middle aged. A little more refined, and of course a little higher priced.
Why did it fail? Price and poor marketing research. While there is a demand for the middle aged get my youth back market, it is very small and already has players in the market. It is why most Chrylser products do not sell to well. Lets face it, the US buyer wants a lower priced car, that is simlar to what they are looking at, which would be called Dodge. But those same customers will bitch and moan about plastic interiors, "plastic chrome" wheels, ect. All I can say to those people are you can not have your cake and eat it too....
Nice rides BTW.
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Okay, and I'm not dissing you. But I fail to see how you struggle toconsider the 350Z a true sports car. It only comes w/ two seats. In standard trim it is a manual transmission behind a high revving engine. Which by the way, makes more power than the Mustang GT, even though it has an extra 1.1 liter displacement, and two more cylinders. Besides, I thought sports cars were meant to perform well in areas other than just in astraight line. Even then, the GT is barely quicker than the Z. The Z car's heritage is actually OLDER than the Mustang's, and every since it's conception, it's first and foremost task was to be a sports car. The Mustang, on the other hand is a proper "pony car". Some muscle car characteristics, but w/ a good dose of sport car measures thrown in. I'm prolly gonna get flamed for this, but really, if you lookat the two cars' history, the Z car is very much the "Japanese Mustang".
Okay, and I'm not dissing you. But I fail to see how you struggle toconsider the 350Z a true sports car. It only comes w/ two seats. In standard trim it is a manual transmission behind a high revving engine. Which by the way, makes more power than the Mustang GT, even though it has an extra 1.1 liter displacement, and two more cylinders. Besides, I thought sports cars were meant to perform well in areas other than just in astraight line. Even then, the GT is barely quicker than the Z. The Z car's heritage is actually OLDER than the Mustang's, and every since it's conception, it's first and foremost task was to be a sports car. The Mustang, on the other hand is a proper "pony car". Some muscle car characteristics, but w/ a good dose of sport car measures thrown in. I'm prolly gonna get flamed for this, but really, if you lookat the two cars' history, the Z car is very much the "Japanese Mustang".
I have trouble respecting the 350Z because the 3000GT still appears to be superior to it despite the older age and technology. Do you understand why Imight see things this way?
Actually the sources I have found say the Z-car was first produced in 1969 which is around five years AFTER the Mustang was first built.Okay, it produces 6 more hp,it also produces 47 lessft-lbs of torque than the Mustang. Also remember that the Modular engine isn't exactly a benchmarker in getting good power out of displacement and this version features only 3 valves per cylinder over the VQs 4 valves per cylinder.
The top speed to me isirrelivant since I will never drive the carat that speed or anywhere close due to speed limits.
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Wow, since you seem to be one of the only people I've ever met on a forum, whom can actually carry a logical, well-composed debate, I offer this as a reply:
I agree w/ you 100% about the Corvette and Porsche being benchmarks in the sports car arena. Porsche is actually my favorite manufacturer. W/ that said, however, I would like you to consider the fact that only the top-level cars in their respective live are turboed from the Porsche factory. The Boxster/Cayman, Boxster S/Cayman S, the 911/911 S, and even the mighty GT3 don't use forced induction. Surely that shouldn't keep you from considering them to be sports cars.
The 3000GT (and platform-sharing Dodge Stealth) were great sports cars. Especially in their day. But they are only fast in their VR-4/R/T TT guises. The base models were slow, expesive, heavy and ugly. I have a few friends w/ VR-4's (of all generations) and they are def great cars. But they are much different from a 350Z in terms of how they achieve their performance. Twin-turbo V6, all wheel drive, all-wheel-steering. They are very technical. The 350Z on the other hand, is much simpler, focusing more on the fundamentals of sports cars: Low weight, good power, RWD. Yeah, the VR-4 can be used year-round, and the Z is worthless in even a 1/4" of snow. But way the car handles and corners in the dry more than makes up for it. VR-4's are big, heavy cars. And while they have huge aftermarket support, and are fast from the factory, they really aren't that much quicker (0-60 low 5's, 1/4 in mid-upper 13's on average), and definitely don't offer that pure, undiluted driving essence offered by the Z. If you were to compare the 3000GT VR-4to the Skyline GT-R, that in Japan went for about the same amount of money, the GT-R destroys theVR-4. But obviously, enough people didn't like enough things about them, because they were only made from 1991 to 1999.
You are indeed correct about the Z car being born in 1969 w/ the Datsun 240Z. But, the original Nissan Fairlady was introduced in 1959. That's about 5 years BEFORE the Mustang went into production. In Japan, they don't have the 280, 300, 350, etc Z, they have the Fairlady. Our 350Z is the Fairlady Z (gen Z33)in Japan. The Z suffix was just an addition to the name.
So...... I actually DO look forward to your response, considering how few people can carry on an intelligent, civil conversation, esp on the internet.[&:]
I agree w/ you 100% about the Corvette and Porsche being benchmarks in the sports car arena. Porsche is actually my favorite manufacturer. W/ that said, however, I would like you to consider the fact that only the top-level cars in their respective live are turboed from the Porsche factory. The Boxster/Cayman, Boxster S/Cayman S, the 911/911 S, and even the mighty GT3 don't use forced induction. Surely that shouldn't keep you from considering them to be sports cars.
The 3000GT (and platform-sharing Dodge Stealth) were great sports cars. Especially in their day. But they are only fast in their VR-4/R/T TT guises. The base models were slow, expesive, heavy and ugly. I have a few friends w/ VR-4's (of all generations) and they are def great cars. But they are much different from a 350Z in terms of how they achieve their performance. Twin-turbo V6, all wheel drive, all-wheel-steering. They are very technical. The 350Z on the other hand, is much simpler, focusing more on the fundamentals of sports cars: Low weight, good power, RWD. Yeah, the VR-4 can be used year-round, and the Z is worthless in even a 1/4" of snow. But way the car handles and corners in the dry more than makes up for it. VR-4's are big, heavy cars. And while they have huge aftermarket support, and are fast from the factory, they really aren't that much quicker (0-60 low 5's, 1/4 in mid-upper 13's on average), and definitely don't offer that pure, undiluted driving essence offered by the Z. If you were to compare the 3000GT VR-4to the Skyline GT-R, that in Japan went for about the same amount of money, the GT-R destroys theVR-4. But obviously, enough people didn't like enough things about them, because they were only made from 1991 to 1999.
You are indeed correct about the Z car being born in 1969 w/ the Datsun 240Z. But, the original Nissan Fairlady was introduced in 1959. That's about 5 years BEFORE the Mustang went into production. In Japan, they don't have the 280, 300, 350, etc Z, they have the Fairlady. Our 350Z is the Fairlady Z (gen Z33)in Japan. The Z suffix was just an addition to the name.
So...... I actually DO look forward to your response, considering how few people can carry on an intelligent, civil conversation, esp on the internet.[&:]
