At least Ford is not taking our money...
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Back on topic(expecting some moderation in here), hopefully the concessions will give them enough survivability to get the loans. The loans can carry them until the industry saving models come out.
What I would suggest for GM, is to kill the doubled and tripled models. Kill all of the domestic brands and bring it all under the GM brand(they're already putting GM badges on their cars), and keep one model from every class. Also I would suggest they sell Saturn, rather than just kill it.
What I would suggest for GM, is to kill the doubled and tripled models. Kill all of the domestic brands and bring it all under the GM brand(they're already putting GM badges on their cars), and keep one model from every class. Also I would suggest they sell Saturn, rather than just kill it.
I think they should keep Saturn and kill Buick off personally..
I don't understand their insistence on keeping Chevy and GMC, they're the same freaking thing except Chevy has a few extra models. Dumping GMC makes more sense than dumping another brand with it's own unique (well more unique at least) lineup.
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Maybe it's not your job that's not on the line, but a lot of us are going to lose big time if one of the 3 go out, so go play in your corn field
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http://finance.yahoo.com/banking-bud...n-Save-Detroit?
There was a video article on this on ABC, where they were showing the average blue collar GM employee makes $75 an hour....compared to the $45-$50 an hour that Toyota/Honda/Nissan pays its employees...
Now, that right there explains the situation we're in......it adds up to anywhere from $1500-2000 per car difference...
There was a video article on this on ABC, where they were showing the average blue collar GM employee makes $75 an hour....compared to the $45-$50 an hour that Toyota/Honda/Nissan pays its employees...
Now, that right there explains the situation we're in......it adds up to anywhere from $1500-2000 per car difference...
Come D I know your smarter than to spread this 75/hr nonsense. I already dispelled this crap in another thread.
If you do your homework that number is so out of whack its not even funny. That number includes, my pay (27/hr not 72+ nonsense) + my benefits about 8 bucks an hour + all retirees pension + retirees health care divided by the number of current workers. Its not correct at all. Not only that its very damaging to our public image. Keith O. sets the record straight here.
http://uaw.org/auto/12_01_08auto1.cfm
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Response to VW & DODGE
Sorry, Altair my response was not directed at you, but the poster known as
WV & DODGE. It's frustrating knowing that the rest of the country almost seems like they want us here in Detroit to go down the tubes. Say want you want about The Big Three and the UAW, but they built the middle class as I see it, which is now under attack from Wall Street and else where. Again, sorry, I'll use more restraint.
WV & DODGE. It's frustrating knowing that the rest of the country almost seems like they want us here in Detroit to go down the tubes. Say want you want about The Big Three and the UAW, but they built the middle class as I see it, which is now under attack from Wall Street and else where. Again, sorry, I'll use more restraint.
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"Dodd says Ford is the healthiest of the Big Three U.S. automakers."
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081207/congress_autos.html
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081207/congress_autos.html
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Come D I know your smarter than to spread this 75/hr nonsense. I already dispelled this crap in another thread.
If you do your homework that number is so out of whack its not even funny. That number includes, my pay (27/hr not 72+ nonsense) + my benefits about 8 bucks an hour + all retirees pension + retirees health care divided by the number of current workers. Its not correct at all. Not only that its very damaging to our public image. Keith O. sets the record straight here.
http://uaw.org/auto/12_01_08auto1.cfm
Joe
If you do your homework that number is so out of whack its not even funny. That number includes, my pay (27/hr not 72+ nonsense) + my benefits about 8 bucks an hour + all retirees pension + retirees health care divided by the number of current workers. Its not correct at all. Not only that its very damaging to our public image. Keith O. sets the record straight here.
http://uaw.org/auto/12_01_08auto1.cfm
Joe
I got no complaints with anyone who does their job, honors their contract, and gets what they earned..
"Dodd says Ford is the healthiest of the Big Three U.S. automakers."
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081207/congress_autos.html
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/081207/congress_autos.html
