Dodge M4S Intercepter Vs. 1992 - 1993 Dodge Daytona IROC R/T
 

There are many dealers and particularly private sellers that discount the M4S 1986 Limited Production of over 30 cars plus the PPG Indy Pace Cars as insignificant to the car collector and value markets (Barrett Jackson, and Collectors' Value). I would say as an experienced Mopar man with experiences of being on the right side of a top-notch Mopar Showroom since 1965, as well as the influence of the racing world in mopar particularly in those hay day Hemi years (notice the Origins of Bill Flynn's Yankee Peddler Photos particularly those at my Father's Dealership, and later at my Father's Mechanic Sunoco Station, which helped him sell the most Hemis in the entire United States, also notice the Award Photos from Chrysler to suppport that). After the years of being front and center at Chrysler, hopes and dreams of conspicuous consumers have morphed into snake oil salesmen, trying to peddle these IROCs, and particularly the IROC R/Ts at inflated values based on old Kelly Blue Book Values, this was when replacements, parts, and components could still be had for the cars. They claimed in a post that they couldn't understand the significance "of some photos of some old race cars" (that you will see here in "My Garage" online), which will tell you right away the level of Snake Oil fortifying a poorly made Lemonade that they claim is the most power 4 cylinder ever built with 224 Horsepower, that this is simply not true, and collector's base facts of those of value based collectors do not support their claims. Also forthcoming information from the Chrysler Corporation is has formally been requested, we'll see the value and significance of some old race cars.

what are you trying to talk us into...or out of?
you must have missed the rule about not linking to other forums?

WOW, that hurt my eyes!!

claims of the most powerful 4 cylinder
 

I guess, if false information is false information anyway. To say Chrysler is going to have one lowly worker, or the expense of a labor force to hump out a bunch of junks for the benefit of movie budget or movie release time, when its cheaper to assure they have their M4S Interceptor after Charlie Sheen was done, and then to repaint the car solid black at $30,000 to $1,000,000 just for the paint job then repaint it again to put the "Official PPG Indy 500 Pace Car" back on it, or the other color scheme that they used. What it was is a "Limited Number Production" that all rolled off the "Chrysler Production Line", because anyway you look at that equation, is that it is simply cheaper for Chrysler to do so, and follow that logic that has also been released some years ago. The same path that contributes deeply to the valuations of the historical cars, as well as the super cars that are made today including also the Japanese Models.

The simple fact is, the 92-93 IROC R/T is not the most powerful 4 cylinder made at the time, its obvious big brother is. That's a fact that should not only hurt your ears, but your eyes even more, where's the integrity?

im really not sure what youre trying to convince us of...

What is a m4s exactly?

the ppg m4s interceptor was a concept car of sorts built by chrysler in the mid 80s...it was featured in the movie "the wraith" (staring a very young charlie sheen) and the car is now at the chrylser museum in auburn hills wearing its pace car paint scheme..

http://www.imcdb.org/vehicle_4113-Do...c4345a73f48846

I am missing the whole point of this... But I do rember the shelby charger, turbo Dodge colt and the FWD Daytona that wore the Irock badging. I don't rember if Gm was the first to have a Irock car, or If chrysler, Dodge were the last.

Back in the day the turbo 4 bangers were 30 grand+ cdn, I test drove one, only thing|I hated was FWD..

Intercepter and IROC
 

The Prototype at the Chrysler Museum is in the original paint scheme now and I believe not currently on display, it was a two tone Greyish or Silverish Color and a Bluish Color. Someone does have one I believe someone who is helping restore it has a photo of it at Turbo Dodges site with it's Black paint and PPG Pace Car badging. PPG and Chrysler both also have one of the PPG Intercepters on display.

The point of this is that the integrity of facts that have historically supported claims i.e. the Coronet 500s where it was necessry to produce at least that many at the time to enter the cars into NASCAR specifically, and later the HEMI Dart into showrooms an ideal pushed by the Professional Drag Racing Community most notablly Bill Flynn's Yankee Peddler the Car that is in my online Garage here, and the rest of the Chrysler and Ford Products i.e. the Galaxy 500 and such others the Talledaga, together with the demand, the availability of OEM OE, and Factory Authorized Restoration guidelines all the way to the collectors' criteria of matching numbers, these facts and marketabilty simply do not exist for this vehicle no matter how much I personally like it and respect it, so this car unfortunately will never make the grade on to a collector's auction block like Barrett Jackson or something like this, based on these maintaing criterias at such levels. Chrysler, Lotus, OEMs, OEs, or Aftermarket simply choose not put the stock in it.

I beleive it is Chevrolet that at has rights to the first IROC and last IROC badge the Dodge was in the middle, and Chrysler Corporation Customer Service currently says that anything to do with IROC I would have to call Chevy or a Chevy Dealer, I am still researching further if there is anything worth pursuing as far as components there.

My point is, although I would like one I would not pay an inflated value for one. I would like something that at least a sponsor can at least in though. Then maybe a chance for parts availability, even OEMs with a company shaking money and fist, is more likely to obtain results. Until then, the HOPE to meet a collectors' auction block or collectors' marketplace, doesn't retain much of a chance. Though you'll notice it does have my support.

I would say, if you need convincing of anything any kind on the claims, where are the validating facts of the claims of the IROC or the Prototype M4S and the debatable Limited Number Production Dodge Turbo Intercepter from credable sources? I know of retorical very second hand information, but where's the validation, then I may except it? It, will include price valuations of the IROC R/T. After all Chevy's IROC are pushing $15,000 minimum in resale value, because Chevy is behind it with the OEMs.:icon_shrug:

The M4S Prototype, or the Dodge Turbo Intercepter, is the fastest and most powerful 4 cylinder made at over 400 horsepower and an observed by Road & Track Magazine 194 Miles Per Hour with this particular engine tested. As claims that the 1992 to 1993 IROC R/T is the most powerful 4 cylinder made at 224 horsepower.


Of course, any views are welcome and agreeing is not required, this is not a Wanted to Buy Post or a Wanting to Sell Post and Thread. I just prefer to base my decisions particularly these on facts that can be validated, like those of the prior proven Mopar Products. That will be where my "Chest Thumping" comes from, so any of these reasonings will be good enough for me. As I mentioned, this is not a For Sale, or WTB Post or Thread, so I'm not going to be the kid on the playground to take my ball and go home with it.

The Turbo Intercepter Photos
 

I'd post some photos of the Movie Car, but I still can't post attachments, or even add an Avatar, Course I would no if my Messaging has ever worked either. http://rometschracing.spaces.live.com/?lc=1033 this is my homepage you can see them and the rest of my garage there.

I mean this the best way that I can...but the way that you write doesnt make any sense. Is english your first language? You seem like you might have an interesting case but the way that you randomly start new sentences and then ramble on without any sort of proper punctuation makes it heard to read.

I am sorry for not being able to convey my expressed punctuation, and perhaps grazing the keyboard a little to fast. There is much to cover. I am saying where are the validated authority facts behind these claims of the 1992 to 1993 IROC R/T being a car that is potentially a collectors' car with a place in the collectors' marketplace commanding such valuation. As if the accomplishments of an actual Mopar product are to be discounted because someone made a bad bet some years ago.

Viper and Fiat's restructuring plan for Dodge
 

Has anyone heard more of the discontinuing of the Viper? Announced by Auto Week on the Speeded Channel. Anymore production models from Dodge under the new Fiat Administration, also on the Auto Week Announcement they say the restructuring will also include separating Dodge Truck from Dodge as so Dodge can focus on performance? I very much look forward to what the Italian Maker will help Dodge bring!:)

The Viper is alive and well https://dodgeforum.com/forum/brand-n...r-website.html

Dodge Performance
 

I'm very glad to hear that. I hope to see a resergance of factory backing in particular hear at Sebring in the LeMans Series. While they were behind it they were beatin' up the Corvettes. Then fell off and rivalry with the Ferrari in the GT Class heated back up.

M4S or Dodge Turbo Interceptors
 

Made the request to the Arizona Motor Vehicle Department online as suggested by Chrysler Headquarters for the VINs, EINs, and Records. Will follow up with telephone calls after the Holidays. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!

so, are you saying that the 92 iroc shouldnt be a collectors car?

True Current Valuations of the IROCs from an Auto Consumer Authority
 

http://consumerguideauto.howstuffwor...-daytona-6.htm . Let me know if the lnk is invalid? It is a leading big league magazine and company. (Consumer Reports included)

it works...what should we be focusing on there?

Focus
 

I would say for me integrity = repeat customers ,and Kelly Blue Book backs that site up they say a 1992 IROC R/T in Exellent Condition from a Dealer about $3,000 bills. From aprivate Seller about $2,500 in Ex.

To Late
 

Collector R/Ts
 

The boat may have sailed for some, low miles have to be original miles, not with rebuilt engines. They are indignant prices like $5,$6 to $10K until someone is stuck with one that they can't even maintain. The most rare point of the car the claim that the heads are a Lotus product. The heads are conceptually by Lotus. This is no Lotus, Lotus Product, Hands on by Lotus, Lotus or British Manufacturing Standards, and is as a result another portion of the car unfortunately you just couldn't get parts for. They to were manufactured by Chrysler. The $5 to $10K price range is remarkably the same price range as a Buy Here Pay Here Buy as it is Used Car Lot. This car will never be on the block in a true collector's market and maintain any price, their standards just aren't met.:icon_shrug:

My uses for the car are for customizing, performance modificatin, and conceptual redesign. To be moved in to an arena like SEMA, and shows of the like. It will be what I make it. This is common public information at my profile and homepage.:)

Facts Are Facts
 

As I describe it.
 

These as I describe it things as you say are simple reflections or quotes to what the so called source of information says. By all means correct them. As far as price thee ars are not brand new Dodge Challengers, and those sorts of sales markets do not dictate collector's markets. Checking sure stick to the facts, I've only been a record Chrysler Sales Person since 1966. That's public info too. :icon_google: Why do we not ever see one in a setting like Barrett Jackson, Hemmings, Aftermarket Restorations, or any other if what you say is true. If is is true again I say simply show me the facts if your trying to sell something based on it. Do the selling.

Unlike you I am selling nothing!! The truth is on my side and I can let facts speak for themselves. These cars change hands, not in the old world ways, check eBay or some of the turbo sites on the web. Do the research. If you are a awarded Chrysler salesman, how could you know so little about them? All this does not add up. I have collected cars since the late 60, I know a collector car when I see one. The Iroc R/T is a collectable car as well as many other of the Turbo-Mopars, GLH, GLHS, Shelby cars, CSX, VNT’s. I am not sure what your angle is, but I am sure you have one.

Truth is in the right place
 

I am selling nothing either, this is a discussion with free opition. Like I said before I back up mine views with something. My opinions are clearly stated as such, and others are delivered their cordial respect. I have yet to see any fortifications for yours. Its okay though, this is a discussion for anyone to participate in, and as much of learning forum as any public venue. mopars are that solid for me.:)

Facts
 

Show me the factory build sheet with the registered Chrysler Dodge Trademark. It will show the validation I already mentioned long ago that would gladly except, and this is "Collector's Market" simple standard. It will list the components by name, even in what order they were assembled. It comes with the brochure and lollipop when you actually buy something, or if you have a VIN you can call Chrysler and have them send you one.:icon_razz: Its a simple and very reasonable request. Why would someone make it seem dificult if they were honorable with their claims.

Lotus is not the only one who didn't even touch the car. This also applies to Shelby. The man or company. The only ones that were in Shelby's pocession were the Shadow and the Daytona's father if you will the 2.2 Charger and vehicles of that particular era, the same engine that has actually delivered something to the automotive industry i.e the Interceptor's numbers. Indeed the ship has sailed. The truely good thing that the car represents is the ushering out of Mr. Mustang Iacocca from behind the Chrysler big chair using Chrysler as Ford's test rat, and the car is the end of the reaming.:icon_hyper: Its surely nothing to get all wee weed up over. This is all the most common of knowledge, as well. What ever happened to the Trade Phrase we appropriately don't use here. "Dont Bull**** a Bull****er" especially when your shootin' smoke at a resume like that.:icon_doh:

1986 M4S Turbo Interceptor from the man who made it
 

From the words of a former Chrysler Corporation Employee that spoke breifly with the designer and project developer of the Dodge Wraith M4S Turbo Interceptor Bob Ackerman who still works at Chrysler LLC. As a result, I'll expect like any other corporation he is bound by laws and prison time of what information he can come forth with. Even workings with Diamler at the time of the making of the car. As is also common knowledge Diamler was into Mitsubishi by that time, and of course also well into Formula - 1 with the British Race Car Maker MacLaren, and maintains subcontractors like B.F Goodrich which owns Holley and a bunch of others, Bosch, Honeywell, and bunch more that are well known to be next to exclusive Chrysler OEMs.

They all say there was over 30 cars made, and that's currently all the man can legally mention, still being an employee and under obligation.:icon_bike: I only was put on hold of course for a hour today at the Arizona DMV.

I hope you have more than that, and only a few made to claim its a collector's car. I do know what I'm talking about as you can see, before I pay a sucker's price buying something hook line and sinker, just because you say so.