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Old 11-09-2006, 08:52 PM
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DETROIT (Reuters) — Japanese automakers dominated an influential survey of the most reliable new vehicles that was released Thursday, but General Motors and Ford Motor both placed high with its new models.
Consumer Reports magazine Thursday named 47 vehicles to its list of the most reliable for 2007. Of those, 39 were from Japanese automakers, including an industry-leading 21 from Toyota Motor.

Honda Motor had the second-highest tally, with 11 vehicles earning a most-reliable designation, including the newly released Honda Fit hatchback.

Ford Motor, which is trying to shift away from its loss-making reliance on trucks and sport-utility vehicles, also scored well with several of its new cars.

Ford's Fusion topped the Consumer Reports list of the most impressive new models, with the magazine's testing staff praising the car's "nimble handling and comfortable ride."

The Fusion and the Mercury Milan, which share the same platform, were named among the most reliable family cars, outscoring V6 versions of the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry.

The Lincoln Zephyr, which also shares the Fusion platform, was named the second most-reliable upscale sedan after the 2007 Lexus ES350 and ahead of Hyundai Motor's Azera and the Acura TSX and TL from Honda.

A Ford spokesman said the quality ranking could help bring buyers back to the U.S. automaker, which has slashed production and is expected to be overtaken by Toyota as the No. 2 U.S. automaker next year.

"When people go out to see the Ford Fusion ... what they're going to find is bolder design and quality that ranks with the best in the world," Ford spokesman Jim Cain said.

New versions the Chevrolet Tahoe and the GMC Yukon from GM made the list of most reliable large SUVs, just behind three offerings from Toyota: the Land Cruiser, Lexus LX and Sequoia.

David Champion, who oversees auto testing for Consumer Reports, said the key for Ford and GM was whether the initial strong reliability ratings on the new models would be sustained, an area where Toyota and Honda have excelled.

"Whether they start out good and remain good remains to be seen," he said.

DaimlerChrysler was alone among major automakers in being shut out of the most-reliable list.

The magazine's testing staff called Chrysler's hatchback Caliber one of the most disappointing new cars, citing what it called "unimpressive" mileage and a "poorly finished" interior.

In addition, eight Mercedes-Benz vehicles were named to Consumer Reports least-reliable list, the most for any brand.

Champion said many of the problems reported by Mercedes owners concerned glitches in the electrical, audio and power systems for their cars.

Mercedes-Benz spokeswoman Donna Boland said the reliability survey did not reflect the automaker's most recent efforts to work out bugs in those areas. "We did have some issues, but I think the great majority of those have been resolved to the satisfaction of owners," she said.

A total of 20 vehicles on the least-reliable list were from U.S. automakers, including 12 from GM, five from Ford and three from the Chrysler Group.

Chrysler spokesman Sam Locricchio said he expected the automaker's stepped-up investment in quality in recent years would start to be reflected in coming reliability surveys.

"I think you're going to see some dramatic improvements," he said.

Of the 45 models on the magazines least-reliable list, five were from Nissan, the only Japanese carmaker represented.

Representatives for GM and Nissan could not be immediately reached for comment.

Consumer Reports new car buying guide, which was released Thursday, bases its reliability rating on the results of an annual survey of the magazine's online and print subscribers.

The 2006 survey included responses on 1.3 million vehicles and asked readers to detail the serious problems they encountered with their cars and trucks.

 
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yet DCX is one of the best selling companies, are they not?

and dodge is the most successful of the big 3...
 
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Doesn't Toyota own a part of the company that produces Consumer Report?
 
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I dunno, but I DO know that dollars shape opinions, especially when it comes to buying ad space in car mags and getting glowing reviews. That's the way business works, like it or not. Many years ago I put faith in what CR said. Later, actual experience with some of the products they reviewed showed my results differed greatly from what they said. I realize they don't accept advertising in their publication, but given the state of American business, I can't believe they're not on the "take" from someone........although I do give them credit for their "consumer safety alerts".........

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Conbiased Reports...
 
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Doesn't Toyota own a part of the company that produces Consumer Report?
No, but it doesn't mean that the writers aren't getting paid under the table. Here is a link on the history of CR and lawsuits brought up against them. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consumer_Reports

Here is a repost of what I said at DC about this same story.

I'd suggest an amount of salt the size of Mt. Everest be taken, but that still wouldn't be enough for CR's ratings! I'm sorry but CR is one of the most slanted magazines out there. The thing that amazes me is the Fusion and Milan are on the most reliable list and here's why. The 6-speed transmission in the Fusion/Milan is the exact same transmission used in the Camry and Avalon which has been found to have quite a bit of relibility issues. The V6 engine is nothing other than a Duratech with VVT added to it by Mazda. The Duratech has never been known as a benchmarker in terms of quality.

If you notice how the Chrysler 300C V8 model is listed as one of the most unreliable, the funny thing is if you look up the Magnum they list the V8 as being more reliable than the V6 model. Also I have done my own research and I haven't been hearing about any problems with the 300s.

Also another problem I'm having with these ratings are the Prius and death traps (other Hybrids) have been noted for having problems in CR's magazine as having the engines refuse to restart and having some break problems. Now if anything should be counted against a new car as being unreliable, that should be the number one thing, being stranded or in danger of being such.

Also if you look at their engine ratings for Chrysler minivans, you'll see that they give them a negative rating for the 3.3L & 3.8L. Both of those engines are bulletproof. I am yet to see a consistent problem with them. Other engines such as the 1997-2001 Toyota 3.0L that were known for having oil sludge problems, get a above average or excellent rating. That is full of it. I could go on all day about their inconsistences and inaccuracies. CR is good for one thing, lighting the fireplace on Thanksgiving!
They are loaded with inaccuracies and I've noticed that they seem to give more favorable ratings to more fuel efficient cars. From my observations, larger vehicles tend to be made better and last longer. I think they base a lot of their ratings on fuel economy and which produces the least emissions.
 



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