[General]: Transmission Reverse Shudder
#11
Transmission Forward Shudder
I want to let everyone know the reverse transmission shudder is normal. All Chrysler, Dodge and Jeeps transmission shudder in reverse. If you have the following transmission, A413/31TH, A604/41TE also 40TE, A606/42LE, 42RLE, 42/44RH and RE, 46RH and RE, 47RE and 48RE transmissions. The ones that shudder that much to none are 45/545 RFE, 65RFE, 68RFE and 69RFE trans. Now if you 948T 9speed transmission, that's a different ball game. We talk about those. I am a front line transmission dodge tech.
(2005, 3.8L V6). It didn't seem to have a problem when I test drove it but, There is a shudder evident at between 25mph and 50mph. It is intermittent and gives the feel of the front end going over bumps in the road. The problem seems to be overcome when I aggressively accelerate, however, I would like to not have to do this as a preventive. This reply isn't about going in reverse but, I thought you might be able to direct my efforts. Transmissitn ID is P0 4800422AA. There is another post similar so that it is likely not due to this one only. Thanks, Michael
#13
I want to let everyone know the reverse transmission shudder is normal. All Chrysler, Dodge and Jeeps transmission shudder in reverse. If you have the following transmission, A413/31TH, A604/41TE also 40TE, A606/42LE, 42RLE, 42/44RH and RE, 46RH and RE, 47RE and 48RE transmissions. The ones that shudder that much to none are 45/545 RFE, 65RFE, 68RFE and 69RFE trans. Now if you 948T 9speed transmission, that's a different ball game. We talk about those. I am a front line transmission dodge tech.
from all the threads, it would appear I have the 46re. If I swap that out with any older transmission (93' 46rh) how will that affect driveability? It sounds like the RE has 3 plug connection, but the RH has a single plug. If they are both automatics off a 5.9 2wd motor, will they still link up correctly?
thanks,
Kyle
#14
My 62TE shudders if I put it in reverse without giving it about 1/2 second pause before hitting the gas again. That slight pause results in 0 shudder. Not happy, but glad to know, after reading other's posts that the dealer is not being deceptive. Also goes into reverse with more of a clunk than I would expect a refined transmission to do. My old 41TE did not have either issue. Of course it had the famous overloaded differential problem and needed professional repair and an after-market cross shaft retaining system that is much better than what Chrysler came up with.
Seeing as we are dealing with essentially the same differential but, with 283 HP in the Gen5, even though they say it is strengthened, call me doubtful.
Hobby Mechanic Been working on Mopars since 1973.
Seeing as we are dealing with essentially the same differential but, with 283 HP in the Gen5, even though they say it is strengthened, call me doubtful.
Hobby Mechanic Been working on Mopars since 1973.
#15
41TE is 4 - Speeds, 1 - Load Range, T - Transverse Mounted, E - Electronic.
This was the Automotive World's first fully Electronic transmission.
2010 and subsequent model years got the Pentastar VVT V6 and the 62TE Transaxle.
62TE Specs: 6 Speeds, Load Range 2, Transverse, Electronic.
So the 41TE and 62TE are not the same transmission, although the 62 TE is based on the 41 TE. They cleverly added a Compounder (2 extra gear sets and 2 clutches and over-running clutch) with a modification to the side of the case of the 4 speed, in the space roughly occupied by, but in-line with the previous Transfer shaft, so in a lot of respects it is similar. They also beefed up the differential, a notorious weak point in the 41TE. This is an overly simplified comparison, for more detail see the Factory Service Manual or consult a Forum Transmission Specialist.
The 41TE actually started life based on the traditional old K-Car 3 speed, (without O/D) A-404, which was evolved with much Engineering into the Ultradrive A-604 (41TE) in the late 1990s, which used Fuzzy Logic to Compute each shift, while automatically compensating for temperature, wear, internal leakage etc. The Case of an A-404 is about all that is recognizable as resembling the 41TE, nowadays. With considerably more Engineering, this fully electronic transaxle evolved into a very dependable transmission., and then was further developed into the 62TE we know today.
This was the Automotive World's first fully Electronic transmission.
2010 and subsequent model years got the Pentastar VVT V6 and the 62TE Transaxle.
62TE Specs: 6 Speeds, Load Range 2, Transverse, Electronic.
So the 41TE and 62TE are not the same transmission, although the 62 TE is based on the 41 TE. They cleverly added a Compounder (2 extra gear sets and 2 clutches and over-running clutch) with a modification to the side of the case of the 4 speed, in the space roughly occupied by, but in-line with the previous Transfer shaft, so in a lot of respects it is similar. They also beefed up the differential, a notorious weak point in the 41TE. This is an overly simplified comparison, for more detail see the Factory Service Manual or consult a Forum Transmission Specialist.
The 41TE actually started life based on the traditional old K-Car 3 speed, (without O/D) A-404, which was evolved with much Engineering into the Ultradrive A-604 (41TE) in the late 1990s, which used Fuzzy Logic to Compute each shift, while automatically compensating for temperature, wear, internal leakage etc. The Case of an A-404 is about all that is recognizable as resembling the 41TE, nowadays. With considerably more Engineering, this fully electronic transaxle evolved into a very dependable transmission., and then was further developed into the 62TE we know today.
Last edited by 2015Gen5; 04-03-2018 at 05:16 PM. Reason: Better explanation two extra gear sets in compounder for clarification
#16
#17
There were many reflashes of the powertrain in the 2016 period. My 2015 was into the dealer for very minor issues, recalls etc., and every chance they had they were doing another powertrain reflash, without me asking. Each successive upgrade improved shift quality, and in the end, you could hardly feel the shifts at all unless you really leaned on it.
As a funny aside: I was causing my own problems, because I was getting too many ETC light warnings. Turns out it's because I'm a left foot braker, and my big size 13 triple Es were keeping light pressure on the very light accelerator, cutting off fuel flow when the brake is on like the system is supposed to do! Boy, did I feel foolish, because every single ETC event is stored in the powertrain controller, and they could read every one! I blame it on my New Balance.
I don't know if any of these reflashes would address what appears to be serious shifting issues with your 2016 though, I believe you discussed it with the dealer?
As a funny aside: I was causing my own problems, because I was getting too many ETC light warnings. Turns out it's because I'm a left foot braker, and my big size 13 triple Es were keeping light pressure on the very light accelerator, cutting off fuel flow when the brake is on like the system is supposed to do! Boy, did I feel foolish, because every single ETC event is stored in the powertrain controller, and they could read every one! I blame it on my New Balance.
I don't know if any of these reflashes would address what appears to be serious shifting issues with your 2016 though, I believe you discussed it with the dealer?
#18
2001 transmission shudder
I want to let everyone know the reverse transmission shudder is normal. All Chrysler, Dodge and Jeeps transmission shudder in reverse. If you have the following transmission, A413/31TH, A604/41TE also 40TE, A606/42LE, 42RLE, 42/44RH and RE, 46RH and RE, 47RE and 48RE transmissions. The ones that shudder that much to none are 45/545 RFE, 65RFE, 68RFE and 69RFE trans. Now if you 948T 9speed transmission, that's a different ball game. We talk about those. I am a front line transmission dodge tech.
#20
The vans with the 3.6L, 3.8L and 4.0L engines have the 62TE, 6-Speed Automatic Transaxle.