Engine Swap
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Engine Swap
i have been think of going to the dark side[sm=smiley15.gif] (i guess you could say). my buddy hasd an eclipse turbo motor that is ready to drop into just about anything with change of motor mounts and hhoking up the wiring harness. i am only considering this is cuase he wants only $300 for it and it has very low miles on it. but before i do this i need to know a couple of things about the 2.2 turbo II motor.
how much hp can the stock intrenals handle?
how easy can the computer be tuned?
how much hp can the stock trans and axle hold?
The mitsu. motor is a 16 valve duel over head cam. the stock motor can be extranal upgrade to produce 500 whp with no internal work. the trans can handle the power but it would need upgrade axle at that power. the only real hard parts is the motor mounts and the hood clearance might be an issue. if any of you heard about this point me in right direction thanks
how much hp can the stock intrenals handle?
how easy can the computer be tuned?
how much hp can the stock trans and axle hold?
The mitsu. motor is a 16 valve duel over head cam. the stock motor can be extranal upgrade to produce 500 whp with no internal work. the trans can handle the power but it would need upgrade axle at that power. the only real hard parts is the motor mounts and the hood clearance might be an issue. if any of you heard about this point me in right direction thanks
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RE: Engine Swap
The Turbo II engine is far stronger than the mitsu 2.0L Turbo. The Turbo II can easily handle 500 HP, it has full floating pistons and the block and head are cross drilled. Not only is the Turbo II bigger to begin with, the turbo on it is also larger and capable of up to around 500 HP. The tubo II starts out with more torque and will also make more torque as well. Besides, it will be damn near impossible to get the swap to work and fit, none of it will bolt up and it will all have to be fabricated to fit.[sm=noooo.gif]
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RE: Engine Swap
Jebus Kerist!![:@]
DO NOT put a 350 in it[sm=icon_beat.gif]
One of the things that is nice about the 2.2 TII is the fact that it has something that most imports do not....its called "TORQUE". Try finding that in the 2.0 Mitsu. You don't need 500hp if you have torque to back it up.
I think Carroll Shelby said it best: "Horse power sells cars, torque wins races"....
DO NOT put a 350 in it[sm=icon_beat.gif]
One of the things that is nice about the 2.2 TII is the fact that it has something that most imports do not....its called "TORQUE". Try finding that in the 2.0 Mitsu. You don't need 500hp if you have torque to back it up.
I think Carroll Shelby said it best: "Horse power sells cars, torque wins races"....
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Okay slightly on a tangent... I have a 2.5 turbo ('90 Daytona ES) First question was unrelated to this topic... when we were crawling around in the engine compartment we noticed the part number on the turbo had "T04" in it... my roomie noticed this, and I have yet to bend into the precarious position he was in to verify, but I'm wondering if these actually came with T04 turbos, or if there's a possibility that I have something aftermarket, or whatnot...
now onto the slightly more on topic question. The head. I already have a pretty high torque engine... but it seems to me the head is holding me back a great deal. Only 2 valves per cylinder, and with a turbo I have the potential to flow so much more air. I *HAVE* found a guide to put a 2.0/2.4 Neon or Stratus DOHC head on this block (http://home.comcast.net/~ozspeed/) but was wondering if anybody knew of a better way, or a more bolt on approach to DOHC. If not an easier way, has anybody tried to put one of the variable valve timing heads that imports are using (honda's VTEC/iVTEC, toyota's VVTI, etc..) on the 2.5?
My other question was weather or not the 4G63T would fit, but the rest of the thread answered that question...
now onto the slightly more on topic question. The head. I already have a pretty high torque engine... but it seems to me the head is holding me back a great deal. Only 2 valves per cylinder, and with a turbo I have the potential to flow so much more air. I *HAVE* found a guide to put a 2.0/2.4 Neon or Stratus DOHC head on this block (http://home.comcast.net/~ozspeed/) but was wondering if anybody knew of a better way, or a more bolt on approach to DOHC. If not an easier way, has anybody tried to put one of the variable valve timing heads that imports are using (honda's VTEC/iVTEC, toyota's VVTI, etc..) on the 2.5?
My other question was weather or not the 4G63T would fit, but the rest of the thread answered that question...
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RE: Engine Swap
The "TO4E" is a Mitsu built turbo. They came stock on all 1988 and up 2.2 and 2.5 turbo engine's. Only the 2.2 TII, TIII, TIV's retained the Garrett Turbocharger from 88 to 93.
The only other suggestion I can think of for a 16 valve conversion is to use a TIII 16v head (Daytona IROC R/T & Spirit R/T). It would be a direct bolt on, but it would still be an intense swap. The Neon head would be even more difficult. Both have been done successfully by others, but I think that the easiest thing to do would be to have you 8 valve head ported and have big valves installed. It would also be the least expensive choice of the 3.
The only other suggestion I can think of for a 16 valve conversion is to use a TIII 16v head (Daytona IROC R/T & Spirit R/T). It would be a direct bolt on, but it would still be an intense swap. The Neon head would be even more difficult. Both have been done successfully by others, but I think that the easiest thing to do would be to have you 8 valve head ported and have big valves installed. It would also be the least expensive choice of the 3.
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RE: Engine Swap
I wouldn't mess with the Lotus TIII head. Go with the Neon, or the best for this application, the Masarati one. 500hp on an 8v head is an extremely lofty goal. Gary D got "only" 444+ out of the Reliant. That is the fastest 8v TD that I know of, doing low to mid 10's.
With a DOHC, a Chrysler engine with forged internals and Chrysler transmission would be a superior setup to anything you could do with Mitsu parts short of throwing Fort Knox into it.
There are people who can burn cals for you, but make sure that you get 3rd, 4th and 5th opinions on them before letting them mess with all your important engine formulas.
With a DOHC, a Chrysler engine with forged internals and Chrysler transmission would be a superior setup to anything you could do with Mitsu parts short of throwing Fort Knox into it.
There are people who can burn cals for you, but make sure that you get 3rd, 4th and 5th opinions on them before letting them mess with all your important engine formulas.
