Please forgive me if this has already been discussed, I am a newbie after all!

Has there been given any hard numbers in terms of performance of the AWD Magnum RT? I can find a lot of information about acceleration (0-60 and 1/4mile times) for the RT RWD, but has there been any tests done on the AWD version? I am pretty sure it will be slightly slower, but how much so?

Also, here in VA, I have not been able to find one on the lot anywhere. I have been told numorous times that they will not be showing up on the lot until the middle of next year, and if I want one sooner, I have to special order one (of course, no price break... blech). Is that really the case? Has anybody seen one on the lot?

Thanks in advance!

 

Just got our Cool Vanilla RT-AWD today. Ordered it on 8/16 and it was built on 10/2. Everything we hoped for! I think we may be one of the first owners out there. I'm guessing it may be one of the first 100 built or so. The 23 day transit time was a bit of a bear, but it made it safe and sound.

First stop: exhaust shop for Magnaflow setup this weekend.

Second Stop; snow tires

Third Stop; ski box for roof and off to the slopes!

Whoo Hoo!!!

 

Before you do any performance modifications, and after you break it in a bit, do you have the method / means to get either some 0-60 or 1/4 mile times? I know I am asking a lot for you to keep it stock until you have a chance to do this, but I am really curious how much parasitic loss I can expect out of the AWD version.

Also, might be interesting to have some gas mileage numbers to compare. According to the EPA, there is only 1MPG difference between the AWD RT and the regular RT... that is pretty minimal... heck, still better gas mileage than my truck and my Pacifica!

Thanks

 

I would expect the 0-60 time to be better for the AWD than the RWD. More traction = more acceleration (why do you think the Subaru's have such good 0-60 times). As for the 1/4 mile, that is hard to say. At that point the loss may have been made up by the RWD and the weight/friction will be taking it's toll. Hard to say if the AWD would be faster or slower than the RWD. My thought is the AWD would have a faster 1/4 time, but a lower trap speed, but that is a guess.

 

Yeah, I thought about that too, but my experience has shown that a LITTLE wheel slip can actually be good for your acceleration... now I am not talking about burning rubber, but a bit of slip always helped my times at the track. Granted, it was MURDER on your consistancy, and for bracket racing, that is what counts... but the ET's and trap speed would be slightly better. At least that was my observation.

As for the WRX, I had one... loved it... just too small! The acceleration I think had little to do with the AWD making the tires stick... granted, it might have helped, but the WRX below 4K RPMs was a DOG! To get a really good launch, you had to slip the clutch a bit... I ran 14.6's - 14.8's normally with a best of 14.4 at the track with my bone stock WRX, and consistancy was all over the place, because of the slipping of the clutch I guess...

Anyhow, I would really be interested to see some numbers on it... even just for curiousity.

 

The point is to get the most power to the ground without spinning. The reason you likely get better ET's with a "bit" of wheelspin is because you are putting the max power to the ground (and then a bit more). If you didn't spin, that means you likely could have pressed a bit harder, thus you didn't use the full power of the engine and had a slower ET. Also, you are likely in a higher RPM band with a bit of wheelspin thus getting to the meat of the horsepower faster. I think a bit of wheelspin will always be better than none, that way you know you are putting as much power down as possible.

With AWD, you can mash it and get little or no wheelspin but you *know* you are putting 100% to the ground. Hard on the driveline, but good for ET's.

I don't agree with the fact that the subaru acceleration has little to do with the AWD, I think it has everything to do with the AWD. To get a good time with any turbo car you need to rev it before launch to spool things up. If you launch without any boost, you get the lag and your times suck. Several of my friends have Neon SRT-4's and they all say the same thing, the car needs a high-rev launch to perform.

Acceleration is about traction. You can have a 1,000,000 horsepower car but it would make no difference if you couldn't stick the power to the ground. AWD lets you put more horses to the ground faster.

Same here, waiting for some real numbers.