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Old Aug 9, 2004 | 12:41 AM
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How about a cam? That would be the most worth while investment for your car. You will gain probably gain twice as much power then all your other mods combined.
 
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Old Aug 9, 2004 | 12:44 AM
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If you do a cam take into consideration what else you plan on doing down the road. You don't want to buy something you can't use with a turbo or nitros. And if you do get a cam, don't forget the valve springs.

Cams are good. The most common one that people get are the Crane 14.
 
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Old Aug 9, 2004 | 12:56 AM
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If I would get a Crane Cam 14 and Crane Valve Springs, would I need to get anything else? Which one out of the 2 should I get first?

Before that, I would probably get an AFX hood for my car. That will save me about 20 lbs. You would probably feel that weight diff. more than anything right?
 
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Old Aug 9, 2004 | 02:29 AM
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Nope, the cam is a way better buy. But, like said earlier, you MUST change the value springs when you upgrade the cam. The stock one just plain suck, and the thing you never want is value float. Also while your in there, might as well change to a Titanium retainers too. That's smart weight savings. The differents will be easily noticed by the butt dyno.
 
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Old Aug 9, 2004 | 02:46 AM
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If you are going to do the cam do the springs at teh same time. You honestly do not need new retainers unless the stock ones are bad. The only thing the retainer does is hold the springs in place.

If you want to do weight redux there are plenty of things in the car that could save you weight.

Power steering, air conditioning, protective coverings under the dash, airbags, carpet, sound deadening, seats (save for the driver's seat), spare tire. The list goes on.

And not all stock cams suck. The 1995 stock cam is extremely aggresive and was later repackaged as a Mopar performance cam. The cam out of the 2001 Magnums have a duration of around 11.75/12 that is also an incredibly aggresive cam, in most cases it's better than the Crane 12 which has a duration of 12. I had a comparison on both cams but can't remember where it is I'll have to try and dig it up.
 
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Old Aug 9, 2004 | 03:05 AM
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I was refuring to the stock value springs when I said they sucked. But the cams aren't far behind. Dodge had something like the crane cams #10 in mind when the neon was still a concept. However, they scraped those in favor of what you find in there now. Why you ask? To extend timing belt life. They weren't satisfied with the life being in the 60-65000 mile range, they wanted it to last longer. So they changed the cam to an even more mild one to get around 90,000 mile life. That is one of the draw backs to upgrading the cams, you will need to change your timing belt more often.
But isn't that a small price to pay for horsepower?
 
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Old Aug 9, 2004 | 08:01 AM
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The injector issue, wether they are or are not worth it is that they are worth it. The Accel injectors, although they may be the same output as stock, have a different spray. How could this matter, simply put is atomization. The better the injector dispurses the fuel and the finer mist it shoots it out as the better atomized it is and the better and more completely it burns. This will result it more power and better fuel efficency/economy.

Unless you plan to race it alot, you should go with the #12 Crane cam.

The 60mm throttle body is overkill and it is going to hurt your performance. As was already mentioned, it will increase your horsepower slightly more than the 55mm. So then how can it hurt performance? Easily. Being as large as it is your choosing to have more volume (peak horsepower), but your also choosing to loose velocity (torque). The 60mm throttle body would be perfect if your car is going to be a road race car, but if your looking for acceleration and better overall performance, then you want the 55mm.

Use the exhaust wrap, it will reduce your under hood temperatures. The chance of it holding in moisture and causing rust is a valid point, but if it is used on a daily driver it will not be that big of an issue since it will be ran daily and any moisture that may be in it will be evaporated from the exhaust heat.

The MSD wires are indeed the way to go, as they are hundreds of times better than the stock wires. The MSD coil is only good for have higher quality content and construction, because it has stock coil power output. If your stock coil goes bad, then you should definately get the MSD coil as a replacement.

If your Neon is a SOHC, then the best single mod you can do for it is the cam.
 
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Old Aug 9, 2004 | 11:37 AM
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The most common one that people get are the Crane 14.
Where the hell did you get this info. The #12 is far more common cause its actually streetable. If your building a full out race car then yes a #14 is something to consider.
 
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Old Aug 9, 2004 | 11:46 AM
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The injector issue, wether they are or are not worth it is that they are worth it. The Accel injectors, although they may be the same output as stock, have a different spray. How could this matter, simply put is atomization. The better the injector dispurses the fuel and the finer mist it shoots it out as the better atomized it is and the better and more completely it burns. This will result it more power and better fuel efficency/economy.
Also all stock injectors can spray within a 15%-20% range of each other. On some vehicles(like my 91 s10 with a 4.3 TBI) you can physicaly see the difference. Most aftermarket injectors (like accel and others) spray within 1% of each other which is the biggest reason why you will see an increase in fuel milage if you install the accel injectors.
 
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Old Aug 9, 2004 | 11:52 AM
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And not all stock cams suck. The 1995 stock cam is extremely aggresive and was later repackaged as a Mopar performance cam.
Actually not thats not right. The 95 cam is a bit smaller then the crane #10. Which means for 96 and newer its would be a cheap bit of a gain. The magnum cam was availble in the ACR neons and is close to the performance of the crane #12.
 
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