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Old Jul 16, 2007 | 08:04 PM
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PTschafer, I'd say your results are not only anomalous but at odds with an overwhelming number of anecdotal 'web-accounts' as well.
Maybe my results are anomalous, and maybe at odds too with people who feel RP works great for them. I however, encountered a failure from this product, and I have researched it and directly asked RP in the past about this,and I have recieved zero answers.

ORIGINAL: rotormunky
Mind you I'm not casting aspersions on your account directly, but you're either pretty quick to spread false information or not afraid to speak confidently about things you don't have direct knowledge about.
You don't know me, or anything about me. There is nothing false about what I said about my account of using the above-mentioned RP product. I speak confidently about things that I do have knowledge of. I bought my car, I bought the oil, I changed it myself and always have. I research most of the products I use in my vehicle before I even consider buying them. How much more direct should I get?

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Royal Purple *IS* a group IV synthetic, like Amsoil. Began as such and hasn't changed. Mobil 1 however is *NOW* (after losing their lawsuit) a group III synthetic (I guess they figure why spend the extra money).
That's great. I never disputed any of that, good for them.

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Your emphatic tone coupled with your bad information makes me somewhat leary about accepting your anomalous account of 'black water' I have to admit, no offense intended but try looking at it from an independent third party point of view.
I added humor to the end of my "less-than-desireable" account. I think I'm allowed to do that. It was my car and my hard-earned $ that paid for it, and the oil, and yes once again I will repeat that at cold temperature, the stuff drained from the crankcase like BLACK WATER after 1800 miles. Why would I make up a story out of nowhere about it? And as far as a third party, a friend of mine was present at the time andknew about RP,and he was also shocked at how degraded the oil really was. And "no offense," but it was my car and my $ getting drained out of the oil pan, so as far as I'm concerned I have no idea why anything in my post has offended you personally.

ORIGINAL: rotormunky
Speaking of which, while I've used RP in the past (seemed to work fine, I can't say much about it really)
You're saying plenty about it now though, aren't ya? I offered a different viewpoint on RP by submitting my experience with their product. If anything, it just goes to show that there is no such thing as a "bulletproof" product. As far as "I can't say much about it really," if you can't say much about RP, then why the huge defense about it? Once again, I didn't attack anyone personally, and if you want to attempt to discredit my experiencethen go ahead. Maybe next time I'll invite the entire forum over to my place for an oil-analysis party when I change my oil.

ORIGINAL: rotormunky
I've also used Mobile 1, Redline (also a group IV if you're looking for one) and Amsoil. I pretty much run Amsoil in everything now because (and only because) my friend sells it and I can get it in motorcycle, gear lube, trans, and everything else I need, all in one order and he drops it off on my back porch while I'm at work. That's the big competative advantage there, whoopee. If he sold Royal Purple or Redline I'd be buying that.
That's great, but I personally don't care. If my friend sold AMSOil or Mobil1 (and by the way, that's how you spell those), and I personally felt that Royal Purple was superior to either, then guess what, my friend would be SOL.Considering the mentioned products are all similarly priced anyways, I wouldn't put what I felt to be a lesser product in my vehicle just because my friend sold it. It makes your gripe against me even more hypocritical.

ORIGINAL: rotormunky
The web is so full of 'oil debate' its really, really not funny anymore.
But you're still posting anyways? Geez.

ORIGINAL: rotormunky
The idea that any of this stuff is mega-better, or mega-worse than anything else is just ridiculous. Black water or no black water. Seems that people have their preferences and others have axes (or stock photos of bearings) to grind.
Yes, I have a preferrence and RP is not it, and I've already covered why. What upset me more about it was that I did in fact contact their tech department shortly after this event occured. I got the run-around for a bit, and then the issue went dead when no answers arrived. I wasn't looking for a free case of oil, or not even necessarily a refund. Just an acknowledgement that maybe, just maybe something went wrong on their end, or maybe just one bad batch of oil went out the door. I am the customer, and I guess out of respect I wanted them to at least acknowledge my gripe out of respect for my concerns.

ORIGINAL: rotormunky
No one here is in this threadgoing to crack open a mystery of the ages.
... including yourself, and below is why:

ORIGINAL: rotormunky
So if you've got (legit) info, or believable accounts that's one thing. If you'rs just LOOKING for a reason to hammer something cause your dad never did it that way or whatever, then sheesh, I never figured this forum for that sort of stuff.
If you don't believe anything you read on the internet unless you see it or experience it in person, then you have no business of being on the internet. I wasn't looking for a reason to hammer anything... the reason found me a few years back and, call me crazy, but I don't think anyone likes flushing money down the toilet. And as far as my father is concerned, he never used syntheticlubricants in anythinga day in his life, (I on the other hand use them religously) not that my father is any of your businesseither.

ORIGINAL: rotormunky
Truth be told, you keep putting dino in your car every 3k and that engine isn't going to fail due to oil quality. So much more for sythetics (group III *OR* group IV). I mean... c'mon already.
Okay, coming! And think about it, if one time the stuff turned to "black water" after only 1800 miles, why would I want to wait until 3000 miles to change it? Should I wait until the 3000-mile-mark and change it out after it's turned into WD-40? Maybe try that with your motor and let me know how it turns out.

ORIGINAL: rotormunky
God sorry to rant, but the armchair science was getting to me.

You can delete this now if you like.
If I could, I would. Don't give me anything about armchair science. I had a legitimate complaint about using a RP product in my own vehicle. You on the other hand admitted that you don't have much experience with RP, and you also use AMSOil religously (which is worse than RP according to you but you buy AMSOilbecause your friend doesn't sell RP). About the only passion you brought to your post was personally attacking me because you don't believe that RP could ever actually have a failure. Get real. Well guess what, I've seen it first-hand (maybe just a bad batch, who knows at this point),but I don't need a jerk like you to tell me what is and what isn't real. Instead of being a hypocrite, maybe you should start practicing what you preach and leave the keyboard alone for a bit until you come up with a bit more factual information, instead of ripping on someone else on a topic that you had no prior knowledge of.

And as for the Royal Purplerepresentative in here, thanks for coming out with some additional links and info, but I have already pursued those in the past like I said. I do however take interest in the oil analyisis/comparison between the different manufacturers. If you have more information like this, please share.
 
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Old Jul 20, 2007 | 01:05 AM
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Well,one of my co-workers own a 2005 Subaru Outback,[sm=escape.gif]andChris has informed me thathe see the differance on what the change hasmade[sm=gears.gif]!
 
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Old Jul 20, 2007 | 11:17 PM
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For the better I assume?
 
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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 09:59 PM
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Well,one of my co-workers own a 2005 Subaru Outback,[sm=escape.gif]andChris has informed me thathe see the differance on what the change hasmade[sm=gears.gif]!
What change did he make?
Did he change from Conventional Oil to RP or form a Synthetic to RP?? a Little more details please?
 
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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 11:24 PM
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stop hatin on RP theyr a pretty good oil one of the best out there
 
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Old Jul 28, 2007 | 11:34 PM
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Well i can only speak on my experience. RP i will not lose because of the price and a friend uses it exclusivly in his MR2 and i must say it was extremly black after 2800 miles. I will not use Quaker State or Pennzoil-(which is made by QS) in any of my cars or even my lawn mower. I have seen what it can do to a motor when you dont change it every 1000 miles. It reminds me of the Castrol Sludge commercial. pretty nasty stuff. When i had my eclipse the previous owner used castrol which i never had a problem with. But i switched it over to Mobil 1 full synthetic with out a problem. Ran great. In my 4-Runner i have always used Valvoline. Thats the only 2 i will use now. I have also used Lucas oil treatment in some of my oil changes and that also seem to accelerate the oil break down. (not in anything i own now)-But i will not use that anymore either.
 
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