Future of the SRT-4
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RE: Future of the SRT-4
Jesus H. Christ. Just when I was coming up on some finances that would let me get some of these cars, they dump them. **** me right the hell off. Then BMW goes and completely destroys their image with the absolutely awful new body styles, and I have nowhere else to turn for a new car.
I'm two years into a four-year Comp Sci degree at the University of Winnipeg. Originally I attended the U of Manitoba towards commerce, but I really didn't like it, and I spent the past year or so just drifting between faculties. I finally made a decision, transferred, and I'm going to graduate around fall 2006 (I hope).
I'm two years into a four-year Comp Sci degree at the University of Winnipeg. Originally I attended the U of Manitoba towards commerce, but I really didn't like it, and I spent the past year or so just drifting between faculties. I finally made a decision, transferred, and I'm going to graduate around fall 2006 (I hope).
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RE: Future of the SRT-4
But both will probably be priced around $60k (cdn, probably $40-45k US), which is roughly twice the price of an SRT-4. An M3 would only be $5-10k more, and sorry to say but just a tad more attractive and sportier. I won't make any judgements, but I think that the Charger will be a luxury sedan similar to the 300C, rather than a fun high-performance coupe, and the Cobra will be more of a retro muscle car throwback like the '05 Mustangs. I'm definitely taking an '05 GT for a test drive, but I don't think it will be as exhilarating as, say, a Skyline.
I guess the difference is the Charger and Cobra will be made for 50 and 60 year olds reminiscing of the good old days, while the likes of the Cavalier and Sunfire will be all thats aimed at a young professional - that, and of course higher end BMWs, Acuras - Benz even. I don't want to be buying a car and having people think I'm driving my daddy's car. I don't think domestic manufacturers are really trying hard enough to get OUR money, just our parents money.
I guess the difference is the Charger and Cobra will be made for 50 and 60 year olds reminiscing of the good old days, while the likes of the Cavalier and Sunfire will be all thats aimed at a young professional - that, and of course higher end BMWs, Acuras - Benz even. I don't want to be buying a car and having people think I'm driving my daddy's car. I don't think domestic manufacturers are really trying hard enough to get OUR money, just our parents money.
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RE: Future of the SRT-4
can't speak for the Charger... Cobra should way in around 35k or less... just judging on current prices and what Ford hopes to sell the next gen. GT's for (my buddies dad works at ford and is responsible for many things on the new mustangs)... it boils down to personal taste... I like the new styling, but as stated many (many) times before, I am a mustang guy who bought a dodge 
Saturn Ion Red Line, the Cavalier with the goofy spoiler, the new Cobalt SS, etc. etc. etc... I think the Domestics are TRYING to get our money... just not doing a good job of it...
Saturn Ion Red Line, the Cavalier with the goofy spoiler, the new Cobalt SS, etc. etc. etc... I think the Domestics are TRYING to get our money... just not doing a good job of it...
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RE: Future of the SRT-4
ORIGINAL: Gargoile
I bought this car for one thing.. HP.. this car is following the true roots of Dodge. Build a strong motor and shape a car around that motor. Sure the interior can do better, but I like it the way it is... I don't need to be pampered with this car. Its not the style of this car. Some say its just a Neon, you bet it is.. a damn good one at that. Besides this is a TUNER car.. you change what you want to how you like it. So Dodge just left the interior (somewhat) alone. There are so many options you can do to this car. Its just up to you to make it ..your car.
I have been with many SRT-4 owners, and what I have seen what these owners have put the SRT thru makes me a proud owner. They beat the hell out of these cars and it keeps coming back for more. Its like picking up a dog from the city pound. Its not the nicest dog in town, but its tough and is always there for you.
Now sure there will be people having problems with their car. ALL makers have there problems.. I even had a BMW 735I that was a lemon.( you'd think for a car over $50,000 you shouldn't have ANY issues)...But the number of SRT-4 owners and the low number of issues tell me this car is built and built to last. There are SRT's out there with over 40,000 miles and still hit the drag strip every weekend.
Pound for pound, this car is a great deal.
I bought this car for one thing.. HP.. this car is following the true roots of Dodge. Build a strong motor and shape a car around that motor. Sure the interior can do better, but I like it the way it is... I don't need to be pampered with this car. Its not the style of this car. Some say its just a Neon, you bet it is.. a damn good one at that. Besides this is a TUNER car.. you change what you want to how you like it. So Dodge just left the interior (somewhat) alone. There are so many options you can do to this car. Its just up to you to make it ..your car.
I have been with many SRT-4 owners, and what I have seen what these owners have put the SRT thru makes me a proud owner. They beat the hell out of these cars and it keeps coming back for more. Its like picking up a dog from the city pound. Its not the nicest dog in town, but its tough and is always there for you.
Now sure there will be people having problems with their car. ALL makers have there problems.. I even had a BMW 735I that was a lemon.( you'd think for a car over $50,000 you shouldn't have ANY issues)...But the number of SRT-4 owners and the low number of issues tell me this car is built and built to last. There are SRT's out there with over 40,000 miles and still hit the drag strip every weekend.
Pound for pound, this car is a great deal.
VERY WELL said, Gargoile...[sm=smiley20.gif][sm=smiley20.gif][sm=smiley20.gif]
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RE: Future of the SRT-4
Dj, here are some other thoughts to keep in mind about the Neon platform.
In July of 2005 when the last Neon's and SRT-4's are made, the end of life for this platform was made long before the SRT-4 came to be. Dodge just added a little spice to the Neon's knowing that this wouldn't last. Which by the way, Dodge does have a habit of making "Niche" vehicles for a short time.
The move to change platforms is a blessing in disguise, as I see it. While at a event, I overheard a PVO aka SRT
employee say that you can only do so much with a car that is FWD. Which is true and I agree with them. So what does this mean ?? Well I hope that the new SRT-4 will be the Razor. But Dodge says this car will not go into production. If Dieter Zetsche is reading this board, It will make one hell of a sports car (also I see a convertible too). AND the fact that it uses the same power plant as the Neon SRT-4. The 0-60 times and the 1/4 mile times will be lower, lower due to the fact that the car is RWD.... plain and simple.
I just hope that DCX doesn't tarnish the SRT brand by making just about every model an SRT option. Like some car makers do with adding Type-R behind every name plate.
Also to Dusty... thanks.
In July of 2005 when the last Neon's and SRT-4's are made, the end of life for this platform was made long before the SRT-4 came to be. Dodge just added a little spice to the Neon's knowing that this wouldn't last. Which by the way, Dodge does have a habit of making "Niche" vehicles for a short time.
The move to change platforms is a blessing in disguise, as I see it. While at a event, I overheard a PVO aka SRT
employee say that you can only do so much with a car that is FWD. Which is true and I agree with them. So what does this mean ?? Well I hope that the new SRT-4 will be the Razor. But Dodge says this car will not go into production. If Dieter Zetsche is reading this board, It will make one hell of a sports car (also I see a convertible too). AND the fact that it uses the same power plant as the Neon SRT-4. The 0-60 times and the 1/4 mile times will be lower, lower due to the fact that the car is RWD.... plain and simple.
I just hope that DCX doesn't tarnish the SRT brand by making just about every model an SRT option. Like some car makers do with adding Type-R behind every name plate.
Also to Dusty... thanks.
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RE: Future of the SRT-4
ORIGINAL: DJ_Mittens
But both will probably be priced around $60k (cdn, probably $40-45k US), which is roughly twice the price of an SRT-4. An M3 would only be $5-10k more, and sorry to say but just a tad more attractive and sportier. I won't make any judgements, but I think that the Charger will be a luxury sedan similar to the 300C, rather than a fun high-performance coupe, and the Cobra will be more of a retro muscle car throwback like the '05 Mustangs. I'm definitely taking an '05 GT for a test drive, but I don't think it will be as exhilarating as, say, a Skyline.
I guess the difference is the Charger and Cobra will be made for 50 and 60 year olds reminiscing of the good old days, while the likes of the Cavalier and Sunfire will be all thats aimed at a young professional - that, and of course higher end BMWs, Acuras - Benz even. I don't want to be buying a car and having people think I'm driving my daddy's car. I don't think domestic manufacturers are really trying hard enough to get OUR money, just our parents money.
But both will probably be priced around $60k (cdn, probably $40-45k US), which is roughly twice the price of an SRT-4. An M3 would only be $5-10k more, and sorry to say but just a tad more attractive and sportier. I won't make any judgements, but I think that the Charger will be a luxury sedan similar to the 300C, rather than a fun high-performance coupe, and the Cobra will be more of a retro muscle car throwback like the '05 Mustangs. I'm definitely taking an '05 GT for a test drive, but I don't think it will be as exhilarating as, say, a Skyline.
I guess the difference is the Charger and Cobra will be made for 50 and 60 year olds reminiscing of the good old days, while the likes of the Cavalier and Sunfire will be all thats aimed at a young professional - that, and of course higher end BMWs, Acuras - Benz even. I don't want to be buying a car and having people think I'm driving my daddy's car. I don't think domestic manufacturers are really trying hard enough to get OUR money, just our parents money.
I agree that a good portion of the Charger/Cobra sales will be to the 50-60 year olds reminiscing the past. You mention BMWs, Acuras and Benzs as being aimed at young professionals, but every time I think, hear or see any of these cars I immediately see them as being a well off middle aged mans car and not a younger persons car. To me they scream rich old *****, because that is normally what I see behind the wheel of them. The Mustangs in general have always been a young males car of choice, not mine however. The Charger, if designed and priced as it should be, would bring in a similar buyer demographic as the Mustang. And if it were done properly I would get one in a split second.
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RE: Future of the SRT-4
Actually the RWD will in some ways hurt the 0-60 and 1/4 mile performances since there would be far greater parasitic power losses through the drivetrain. Now if it were mid-engine RWD it would suffer no more parasitic losses than the FWD, so then it would be quicker simply because of the RWDs weight transfering to the drive wheels instead of away from them, which is the FWDs problem. The Razor would be far lighter if it were built like the concept car and it would be quicker and faster as a result.
The Razor would be far lighter if it were built like the concept car and it would be quicker and faster as a result.