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Old Jun 6, 2017 | 05:51 PM
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Originally Posted by gauge_half_inch
I have the smallest and most obscure tank for them apparently. I have never put more than just shy of 15 gallons on mine. And it ran out rolling up to the pump. All the local cheap yards like pull-a-part punch holes in the tanks and oil pans of everything, so unless I can find a deal somewhere else, I'll probably have to get a return style rail and external fuel pump.
Oh yeah, I had the same problem with the local yards, they destroy the tanks. I kept an eye on Craigslist and found a small junkyard that sold me the tank and pump. You mght be successful if you can find someone just parting out a Dakota.
 
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Old Jun 6, 2017 | 07:11 PM
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Gotcha....I didn't realize the carb'd 88's had a mechanical fuel pump? I thought all the Dak's had the intank pump. As noted before, my 90 had an intank pump/sender on the TBI setup. I kept it and just used a bypass fuel regulator for my carb.

PS, I had a festiva a few years ago....that little car was a blast to drive. I actually traded it for the rims/tires on my Dakota, lol....My friend runs a tire shop so we did some bartering.
The 1988's are TBI, and don't have a mechanical pump.

The 1987's, OTOH, did.

But then, the 1988 never had a V8 from the factory.

To the OP - the factory 1988 hat will fit and work fine; if you're using a 1988 tank and hat, you can always move your current sending unit over to the new one. Or just rebuild the old one to spec.

I'd use a higher flow / higher pressure pump; factory on the 1988's only had to sustain 14.5psi(!!)

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Old Jun 6, 2017 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RalphP
The 1988's are TBI, and don't have a mechanical pump.

The 1987's, OTOH, did.

But then, the 1988 never had a V8 from the factory.

To the OP - the factory 1988 hat will fit and work fine; if you're using a 1988 tank and hat, you can always move your current sending unit over to the new one. Or just rebuild the old one to spec.

I'd use a higher flow / higher pressure pump; factory on the 1988's only had to sustain 14.5psi(!!)

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My truck was originally a carbed 4 cyl 5 speed. It was a mechanical pump with just a pick up tube. From the Google searching I've done, it looks like a completely different design.
 

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Old Jun 7, 2017 | 02:48 AM
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Originally Posted by gauge_half_inch
My truck was originally a carbed 4 cyl 5 speed. It was a mechanical pump with just a pick up tube. From the Google searching I've done, it looks like a completely different design.
Ouch.

Yes, it was.

However, that was less than 5% of the trucks sold; I forgot the 4banger.

Hrm ... not sure the factory sending unit is the same 4cyl to V6.

So, inline fuel pump, and verify that you can return, or use a returnless regulator and make sure the pump can take it. (Not all can work with that much head ... )

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Old Jun 8, 2017 | 08:45 AM
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Just looking over the wire schematics, for the returnless fuel system on the 95 Dakota, the fuel pump does not have a separate module to regulate voltage to adjust fuel pressure? Or does this system not work like other companies build their systems? If I could source a tank and pump assembly from a 95 magnum it should in theory bolt up and just have to run the 12v and ground to the pump assembly, then tap into my existing level sensor wires?
 
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Old Jun 8, 2017 | 10:51 AM
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Originally Posted by gauge_half_inch
Just looking over the wire schematics, for the returnless fuel system on the 95 Dakota, the fuel pump does not have a separate module to regulate voltage to adjust fuel pressure? Or does this system not work like other companies build their systems? If I could source a tank and pump assembly from a 95 magnum it should in theory bolt up and just have to run the 12v and ground to the pump assembly, then tap into my existing level sensor wires?
As far as I know, it's on or off....not variable speed. My 90 just turns the pump on through the ASD relay.
 
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Old Jun 8, 2017 | 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by robertmee
As far as I know, it's on or off....not variable speed. My 90 just turns the pump on through the ASD relay.
That is correct, pump just runs, regulator keeps fuel pressure at the correct level. As you know, '92 and '93 Magnums have the regulator on the fuel rail and a return line from the rail to the tank. From '94 on, the regulator is on top of the tank and there is no return line. My understanding is that the '94-on "returnless" system really just shortens the return line, keeping it right at the tank vs. running a line to the fuel rail.

If I could source a tank and pump assembly from a 95 magnum it should in theory bolt up and just have to run the 12v and ground to the pump assembly, then tap into my existing level sensor wires?
Yes. Your '88 chassis wiring has all the wires there to handle the pump power and fuel level circuits, you'll just need to grab the '95 connector so you can splice it onto your chassis harness.
 

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Old Jun 8, 2017 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ragged89
That is correct, pump just runs, regulator keeps fuel pressure at the correct level. As you know, '92 and '93 Magnums have the regulator on the fuel rail and a return line from the rail to the tank. From '94 on, the regulator is on top of the tank and there is no return line. My understanding is that the '94-on "returnless" system really just shortens the return line, keeping it right at the tank vs. running a line to the fuel rail.



Yes. Your '88 chassis wiring has all the wires there to handle the pump power and fuel level circuits, you'll just need to grab the '95 connector so you can splice it onto your chassis harness.
That's exactly what I needed to know.
 
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