Originally Posted by robertmee

While I understand your passion due to having a brake related death, we shouldn't globally hate on those that might not know everything about brakes or can afford to have them tip top. Granted, for your, mine and their safety we all wish that everyone's brakes were perfect, but in the real world they aren't. I completely changed every associated brake piece on my truck during my restoration...lines, hoses, drums, drum cylinders, shoes, springs/cables, pads, calipers, master cylinder and booster. And in the end, the simple swap of the lines at the dual MC kept me from having perfect brakes. Mistakes happen. Now, I didn't drive my truck while I was figuring out the problem, but I have 10 vehicles and can drive something else. But someone else might rely on their sole truck to get them to two jobs to feed their family, and they take the risk. Put yourself into someone's else's shoes and decisions might not seem so cut and dry. It's like when someone is tailgating me or dangerously passing me on the road. My first inclination is "what a jerk"...but what if that person is rushing to a hospital because a loved one has been in a terrible accident. You just never know....so better to show compassion than talk about jerking a knot in their head in a closed room Just my 2c.

Originally Posted by Toby Warford

Nah. Ill keep my 11" discs over 9" drums. Its been done for 4 months now.

Originally Posted by Wolfen1086

11 over 9's I got 10.5's

Originally Posted by Toby Warford

Ill still keep the disc brakes over drum brakes.

Originally Posted by Wolfen1086

I've had drums all my life in teh rear of every vehicle I have ever had, I'm used o them, my wife's 08 F150 had disk in back and that thing need abs just to stop without leaving black marks on the pavement
, so ya will never sell me on em LOL

Originally Posted by Wolfen1086

I've had drums all my life in teh rear of every vehicle I have ever had, I'm used o them, my wife's 08 F150 had disk in back and that thing need abs just to stop without leaving black marks on the pavement
, so ya will never sell me on em LOL

Originally Posted by RalphP

So you're saying the rear brakes were better than the tires and the weight of the truck; and you didn't like that?

Instead you like the extended stopping distance of ABS when it kicks in (instead of the driver modulating)?

Just wanted to make sure I understood you right.

RwP

Originally Posted by Toby Warford

no. Not even close. I have less then perfect tires right now that give up grip before they should. And I stood on my brakes to brake check someone and one tire locked up. With good tires, as ive noted in my swap thread, its impossible to lock em up even in the wet.

Thats why I said it was my fault they locked up, and nothing to do with the truck or rear discs.

Originally Posted by RalphP

Ahem.

I was quoting Wolfen1086, not Toby Warford.

And answering him, not you.

RwP

Originally Posted by RalphP

So you're saying the rear brakes were better than the tires and the weight of the truck; and you didn't like that?

Instead you like the extended stopping distance of ABS when it kicks in (instead of the driver modulating)?

Just wanted to make sure I understood you right.

RwP

Originally Posted by HeyYou

I would like to see anyone that can beat ABS for stopping distance in less than ideal conditions. I think you will find that the computer can modulate the brakes far better than any human can. (at least, on the trucks with 4wal. The dodge RWAL might just as well not even be there. )