No power to ecm?
#11
A few minor corrections.
Pin C3, ASD Control, goes to ground to turn ON the ASD.
Pin C12, ASD output, goes to 12V when the ASD turns on (so the ECU can monitor the ASD).
A22 is constant 12V; A2 is the signal from the ignition switch that ignition is ON so the ECU can wake up.
Fuel Pump Relay Control should be either 12V or ground when on; I'd expect ground just from how things normally switch, but let me check the FSM ... yep, C19 goes to ground (see page 8W-30-2, upper right side). So you won't see 12V on it while the system is cranking or running.
If the ASD bypass turned on the fuel pump, I'd bet the ECU is working; there may be a problem with the ASD output or the wiring between the PCM and the ASD relay. (ASD isn't connected to the fuel pump directly, according to page 8W-30-10.)
RwP
Pin C3, ASD Control, goes to ground to turn ON the ASD.
Pin C12, ASD output, goes to 12V when the ASD turns on (so the ECU can monitor the ASD).
A22 is constant 12V; A2 is the signal from the ignition switch that ignition is ON so the ECU can wake up.
Fuel Pump Relay Control should be either 12V or ground when on; I'd expect ground just from how things normally switch, but let me check the FSM ... yep, C19 goes to ground (see page 8W-30-2, upper right side). So you won't see 12V on it while the system is cranking or running.
If the ASD bypass turned on the fuel pump, I'd bet the ECU is working; there may be a problem with the ASD output or the wiring between the PCM and the ASD relay. (ASD isn't connected to the fuel pump directly, according to page 8W-30-10.)
RwP
#12
A few minor corrections.
Pin C3, ASD Control, goes to ground to turn ON the ASD.
Pin C12, ASD output, goes to 12V when the ASD turns on (so the ECU can monitor the ASD).
A22 is constant 12V; A2 is the signal from the ignition switch that ignition is ON so the ECU can wake up.
Fuel Pump Relay Control should be either 12V or ground when on; I'd expect ground just from how things normally switch, but let me check the FSM ... yep, C19 goes to ground (see page 8W-30-2, upper right side). So you won't see 12V on it while the system is cranking or running.
If the ASD bypass turned on the fuel pump, I'd bet the ECU is working; there may be a problem with the ASD output or the wiring between the PCM and the ASD relay. (ASD isn't connected to the fuel pump directly, according to page 8W-30-10.)
RwP
Pin C3, ASD Control, goes to ground to turn ON the ASD.
Pin C12, ASD output, goes to 12V when the ASD turns on (so the ECU can monitor the ASD).
A22 is constant 12V; A2 is the signal from the ignition switch that ignition is ON so the ECU can wake up.
Fuel Pump Relay Control should be either 12V or ground when on; I'd expect ground just from how things normally switch, but let me check the FSM ... yep, C19 goes to ground (see page 8W-30-2, upper right side). So you won't see 12V on it while the system is cranking or running.
If the ASD bypass turned on the fuel pump, I'd bet the ECU is working; there may be a problem with the ASD output or the wiring between the PCM and the ASD relay. (ASD isn't connected to the fuel pump directly, according to page 8W-30-10.)
RwP
#14
Closing the ASD relay by hand does not cause fuel pump relay to kick on. No sound of fuel pump priming as I did when closing the fuel pump relay. EDIT: Checked both positive terminals for the ASD relay and I am getting a healthy 12V on both. Does that possibly mean the ground path to the ASD is open and/or I have a bad ECM?
Last edited by 96daksport; 01-21-2019 at 12:55 PM.
#15
#16
Well, the ASD won't be turned on until the ECU is either priming the pump (2 secs about) or it's seeing crank or cam pulses (I think cam, I forget which).
So static, no, you wouldn't get a command to close the ASD relay.
C19 will be high until the ECU turns the fuel pump on; but at least you see current through the fuel pump relay coil.
You should ALSO see about 12V on C3 while it's just sitting there; grounding C3 should kick the ASD on.
If you see ground on C3 AND the ASD isn't on, there's your problem.
RwP
So static, no, you wouldn't get a command to close the ASD relay.
C19 will be high until the ECU turns the fuel pump on; but at least you see current through the fuel pump relay coil.
You should ALSO see about 12V on C3 while it's just sitting there; grounding C3 should kick the ASD on.
If you see ground on C3 AND the ASD isn't on, there's your problem.
RwP
#17
Well, the ASD won't be turned on until the ECU is either priming the pump (2 secs about) or it's seeing crank or cam pulses (I think cam, I forget which).
So static, no, you wouldn't get a command to close the ASD relay.
C19 will be high until the ECU turns the fuel pump on; but at least you see current through the fuel pump relay coil.
You should ALSO see about 12V on C3 while it's just sitting there; grounding C3 should kick the ASD on.
If you see ground on C3 AND the ASD isn't on, there's your problem.
RwP
So static, no, you wouldn't get a command to close the ASD relay.
C19 will be high until the ECU turns the fuel pump on; but at least you see current through the fuel pump relay coil.
You should ALSO see about 12V on C3 while it's just sitting there; grounding C3 should kick the ASD on.
If you see ground on C3 AND the ASD isn't on, there's your problem.
RwP
Last edited by 96daksport; 01-21-2019 at 04:19 PM.
#18
Well, now, see, C3 is an OUTPUT from the ECU; until it goes to ground, you won't get the ASD kicking on.
Follow the wiring schematics again.
Pressing the relay won't make any difference; it's the signal OUT to control the relay (hence the 'AUTOMATIC SHUT DOWN RELAY CONTROL" name ... )
Does it go to ground while you're cranking? Is there any signal at all on either A8 or A18 while cranking? If one of those is missing (forget which one), it'll never turn the ASD ON ...
RwP
Follow the wiring schematics again.
Pressing the relay won't make any difference; it's the signal OUT to control the relay (hence the 'AUTOMATIC SHUT DOWN RELAY CONTROL" name ... )
Does it go to ground while you're cranking? Is there any signal at all on either A8 or A18 while cranking? If one of those is missing (forget which one), it'll never turn the ASD ON ...
RwP
#19
Well, now, see, C3 is an OUTPUT from the ECU; until it goes to ground, you won't get the ASD kicking on.
Follow the wiring schematics again.
Pressing the relay won't make any difference; it's the signal OUT to control the relay (hence the 'AUTOMATIC SHUT DOWN RELAY CONTROL" name ... )
Does it go to ground while you're cranking? Is there any signal at all on either A8 or A18 while cranking? If one of those is missing (forget which one), it'll never turn the ASD ON ...
RwP
Follow the wiring schematics again.
Pressing the relay won't make any difference; it's the signal OUT to control the relay (hence the 'AUTOMATIC SHUT DOWN RELAY CONTROL" name ... )
Does it go to ground while you're cranking? Is there any signal at all on either A8 or A18 while cranking? If one of those is missing (forget which one), it'll never turn the ASD ON ...
RwP
While cranking, A8 and A18 maintain about 0.64V to 0.74V. With key just on, the voltages are also reading 0.64V - 0.74V for A8 and A18.
#20