I was referring to people buying US made products regardless of where profits go. Jobs mean a good deal of earnings for a corp. stay here with those workers. Personally I would never buy a foreign car unless it was built here, but I am probably more sensitive to the subject because I worked for a 2nd tier GM supplier.

 

Imagine for a moment, if every American bought an American car. The sheer volume of jobs it would take to sustain that kind of purchasing would completely negate the argument of who built what and where. Made in America, bought in America, profits in America...nuff said.

But...back a few decades ago, people started buying Japanese cars like bags of Skittles, and that's when the American car market started to decline in a big snow ball effect. Here we are today.

Also consider this, if the American auto industry was what was supplying our population with automobiles, the quality would be better because they wouldn't have to cut corners and costs to compete with the cheaper overseas market due to their unbelievably low labor costs.

I buy American everything whenever possible, usually at a higher cost. I drive a 15 year old Durango and I wouldn't trade it for a Japanese SUV. I drive a 15 year old Ram, and I wouldn't trade it for a Japanese truck. I drive a 36 year old Corvette, and when I see their little chrome 'H' and 'T' fade into my rear view, I smile, from gas pump to gas pump.

 

So you’re one of those guys

I will say I drive a 2012 Ram and while it’s a great truck it’s pathetic that it was made in mexico. It kills me knowing I supported 200 workers in mexico to build an “american” product when we could have had our own people build it.

But hey, people like you want to support profits for the main company right? What better way to make more profit than to hire cheap labor across the border

 

Please don't get me wrong. I don't support cheap overseas labor. I do support our American companies, because of the people that work there and the local economies they are a part of. I'd like to assume there are more American workers being paid by the company, either at various headquarters, dealerships, and factories, than the cheap labor force that built the truck in your example. I don't like cheap overseas labor at all, but I didn't really have a choice in the matter.

Back when Americans like you started buying Japanese cars...for whatever reason, things started changing for the worse. Where were those foreign cars built? Overseas...using what?...cheap labor. America had to compete with cheap labor. How do we compete with cheap labor while the American car market is steadily declining? Cheap overseas labor. It was either that or they fold up the tables and go home, leaving Americans no options but foreign cars. If we had fought the process of taking labor overseas, there wouldn't be a Ford, GM, or Chrysler. It would be your darling Nissan, or Honda, or Toyota. No American car companies providing American jobs. Don't fret though, you'd still have your Nissan Titan made Americans. I do appreciate that by the way, but it's not enough to justify you not buying American.

The fix here, is we need to start buying American cars again, and forcing the Japanese companies out. If every American was buying an American car, the production would increase so much, new factories would be built, jobs would be brought back into our borders, and we would start manufacturing materials and supplies to support the demand.

All it will take is for Americans to buy American products. If enough of us do that, instead of buying foreign automobiles, then there will be no need to compete with cheap overseas labor by using cheap labor. I want to bring all our labor back into the United States...but that won't happen if we keep buying Nissan Titans.

 

I agree, cry all you want about the workers for Toyota losing their jobs because we star building back up the American car industry. God forbid they have to go get a job at the new dodge or Chevy plant that opens up because of the demand, that would be horrible. It'd be so much easier to go to Toyota right now, and buy that brand new 55,000 tundra, and support America, buy helping one Texan at their plant here, and sending all the money back to foreign a-hole who is sucking up America's economy.

You have to give a little to get anything at all. If you keep your hands in your pocket, you ain't gonna get fed. Good day all! ^_^

 

You must have missed something.

The Titan/Armada/QX56 were all designed, tested and built - here in America. So those big wigs who get paid to design a car are here in America. All of that support from the receptionsist at the front desk to the accountant to the guy drawing lines in autocad.

THen you have the guys using Death Valley as their testing ground for the cooling/towing system of the Titan. Again, here in America. Testing has also been done at other areas around the United States.

Then you have the guys who build the trucks in mass production, here in the united states. Day in, day out, workers building a jap truck here in the united states.

You know why Nissan decided to build their SUVs and trucks here in America? So it can be American Made. Because fools want to “support” american companies who out-source their products for cheap labor... You want American, support a large administration building and a factory of workers.

Otherwise you’ll have a corporate building of what, 250 employees who are American making a little more than a labor building a truck.. okay, cool. And those profits you speak of, they are sent over-seas to build new factories, to pay new employees training, and pay for shipping of your product form that country to your country.

You can’t use dealerships as an argument - Nissan dealership hires just as many employees as a dodge dealership.


Lets break the numbers down.. part of our fleet uses Ram trucks. In 2011 we placed an order in for 5,200 new Ram trucks, 1500 to 2500 series. Some 3500 and 4500 mixed in.. all over a two year roll out.

That’s 216 trucks a month. Just for a small fleet of trucks. You factor in all the other rams they need to build to sell to civilians and companies such as enterprise and others who also use the Ram as part of their fleet.

So 216 trucks a month just to fullfill our order of 5,200 rams over 24 months.

All from the Mexico plant.

You know why they are all from the Mexico plant? -We pay about $26k for a stickerd $38k vehicle.

..so lets figure this out from a company standpoint. Their goal is to make profit. ANY companies goal is to make profit. The more profit, the more you can grow and perform more detailed R&D.

So if Ram said “we will sell you 5,200 vehicles for $30k a pop”.. well that extra $4k is for the higher pay rate of american jobs. That cuts into the PROFIT of Ram, does it not? So your American company isn’t looking out for the best of the United Sates, they are looking out for the best of PROFITS. They would rather build a vehicle across the border to generate profits. Shows how much they care about boosting our american economy, huh?

FYI, we placed a bid to RAM, Ford, and GM. Ford and GM came in quite a bit higher.. ford was about 3-5k more per vehicle and I think GM was about 4-6k more per vehicle over the RAM.

Now I don’t agree with going with RAM to support over-seas workers - But I will say it’s a damn great truck.

 

Wow this thread got so far off the original topic its quite amusing. What you guys aren't discussing is just because final assembly is somewhere does not mean that the parts were manufactured there. Just because a sticker says "made in china" does not mean that every part was manufactured there. In quite a few instances the parts do not come from the country that's on the sticker, the sticker just denotes final assembly. I support "american" (the big three, ok ram/dodge and chevy/gmc) because I have observed better quality in their trucks. I believe this is because of how far ahead they are on experience. No matter what happens companies will die and be born, its fact of economics. Well that is my input. Oh also I run google chrome with the free google app "add block plus". Its amazing, no ads even on youtube.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year

 

I was looking at the tag of my Wrangler jeans a couple days ago to order another pair. The tag says, "Made in Mexico from American fabric."

 

Thanks for backing up my point.