Big news, the South lost the Civil War. Because of that, the states can't override Federal Laws whenever they want.

Nice thats a great reply. then i have a question for you why are inspection stations not ran by the federal government? instead of states y is tint legal in Florida and not Rhode island and whats the diffrence in cal emissions and federal emissions the FBI doesn't inforce inspection laws local cops do. and whats a soverin nation? dude im a state inspector and where im from if you don't trigger a check engine light from relocating a cat (obd2) or you pass the dyno (obd1) your fine. there is no inspector in the world who knows the stock location of all the cats on the million diffrent cars in the world. Im a full time tech and state inspector and i kinda know the laws at least when it comes to RI and MA so talking down to me is not cool ok the federal gov sets up the guide lines for the smog test the amount allowable not the placement of the equiptment on the car u can use a cat as a muffler as long as you pass the sniffer.

 

The Federal government does testing on new vehicles supplied by the manufacturer to ensure compliance. Local inspection stations are run by the states (or counties, or localities, depending on where you live) because states have their own laws regarding emissions standards and that's what they measure for. California and Massachusetts have implemented stricter standards that what is required by the federal government as set forth in the U.S. Code of Federal Regulations (40CFR, most of the vehicle related stuff starts in subsection 85) and the Clean Air Act and its ammendments, also known as the Revised Code, or RC for short. No state is permitted to set standards lower than Federal standards, and all states must submit their sampling plans for approval by the Federal government. No state is permitted to exclude or superced any federal law, for that matter. If in doubt, refer to the Clean Air Act, Title II, section 209.

The CAA RC does specify usage of a catalytic converter, including replacement, relocation, removals, and additions. It covers quite a bit more, including conversion from a single exhaust to a (true) dual exhaust, which is not permitted, by the way. It also discusses the maximum fines as set forth by the Federal government which are in addition to fines impose by the states for the same offense (double jeapordy no longer applies to just bank robbery anymore...). Just because a state/locality chooses not to enforce Federal Regulations does not mean it's legal.

http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache...ient=firefox-a
http://www.epa.gov/air/oaq_caa.html/

I realize my little jokes aren't always funny, my wife reminds me all the time. Not talking down to anyone, just providing facts.

 

hell, i have hollowed out my cat and i live in idaho, which is tryin to be like cali as far as emmisions go, and the stupid no smokin law. i letf the "shell" of the cat in so when the testing place wants to inspect it to see a cat, it will be there outside, not inside. how the hell can a regular joe doin emmision testing tell if you have relocated the cat anywayz? i have two welds around my cat cause i cut it out and hollowed it, but other than that, it looks un messed with.

 

I am not the friggin' cat police, folks... I have no problems with people ditching the cat in favor of a long-tube. I think the EPA are a bunch of whiny hippie tree-hugging paranoid end-of-the-earth-is-imminent overbearing pole smoking brain dead narrowminded ******. All I am doing is presenting the facts so that the average Joe Neon owner doesn't go off and earn himself a fine, whether it's now or 3 years from now when your local trailer park authority finally starts doing emissions testing and inspections. I don't care if you tint your windows too dark. I don't care if you drive 10 mph over the speed limit everywhere you go. I don't care if you count your parakeet as a member of the family for tax purposes. What I do care about is providing the information Neon owners need to keep their pocketbooks as full as possible. You don't have to take my advice. You don't even have to listen to me. You can buy a stock fuel pump from the dealer for $495 and have it installed for another $160, assuring yourself all the while that I'm a total and complete liar and that there's no possible way a company as reputable as Walbro would make a better fuel pump for less money. You can blow your precious $105 plus shipping for those shiny coilover sleeves on ebay, assuring yourself they couldn't possible blow the struts on your mighty mighty Neon in under a year. And you can gut your cat, assuring yourself that it's going to improve performance (since your butt dyno is so much better a tool than a real dyno), and you couldn't possibly face a fine because your state "doesn't do emissions".

Provide incorrect data and I will correct it so the ignorance doesn't spread. I'd expect the same from any of you when I'm wrong, which is often enough.

 

a hollow cat does not improve power? tell me more? i gained 1 second after doin that to my neon. it is actually more restrictive to have a "high flow cat" installed, yeah its better than a stock cat, but why pay the extra money unless your state "testers" are a bunch of punks.
and yes, my state (idaho) does do emmission testing, they just dont use thier "fairy dust" to shrink down so they can fit into the exhaust system to see if i have a cat or not.

why the rant radar? i didnt see anyone callin you a liar, or anyone else in here for that matter.

 

I am calling [sm=bs.gif][sm=bs.gif][sm=bs.gif] I'm gonna need to see some slips on that one. I might agree that a hollow cat might give a HP or 2, but to knock a second off???????? I have seen people install a turbo(Given not a great turbo) and not knock a second off!!!!!!!!!!!!
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ok, i will get some pics of my slips as soon as the weekend is over cause it is my work pc. but it is true, i started the season with a 17.8 second car, and with the muffler installed (fart can) it went 17.2, then, the next thing was the cat. that mod got me into the 16.1-16.3 second range depending on wheel hop, consistently.
but like i said, i will get some of my time slips up after this weekend is over.

 

btw, i have a 4 door sohc so ya know.

 

id go with afx/ longtube i think they make that for a sohc.. or fast fabs long tube .. great headers ..
i personally run afx longtube on mine .. mindyou it pushes the cat pretyty far back but i took the cat off got a little more clearance under the car now no more rubbing the speed bump :P

 

1st off, 17.8 is about 2 seconds higher than a stock neon. You should be in the low 16's if not high 15's stock.