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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 05:41 PM
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Hey all...
First off, truck is a '93 W250, 4WD, 12V Diesel.
Truck has 1 ton axels, and 4 inch lift.

Here is the issue:

Under light driving conditions, I have no problem. Basically keeping the boost under 4 PSI. However, it doesnt matter what speed I am at, anywhere from 10 to 70 MPH, if I start to put my foot down at all, the entire truck starts to shake violently. If I back off the throttle, it goes away.
Under light or no load conditions, there is no problem. Putting the truck in 4wd doesnt affect it at all.

So far, I removed the rear drive shaft. I checked the u-joints on both ends, both have fresh grease and move perfectly. The slip yoke also has grease and slides no issue there. Nothing seems loose either.

With the DS out, I grabbed the input flange to the rear diff. I wiggled it around in all directions, I could feel no play here.
I did the same to the transfer case. There was some play in the circular direction, but nothing that seemed abnormal. I believe it is chain driven, so I little movement would be expected.

I took the truck out for a drive with no rear DS installed. For some reason I could hardly keep it on the road... or get my speed up... I think I may have an alignment issue. However, when I put my foot into it, there was no shake.

So, all in all, I know I have an issue somewhere between the transfer case and the rear wheels. Unless the DS is completely out of balance, then it can be ruled out, and I think that would be noticeably all the time.

Can anyone tell me what could be causing this? I dont know what else I can check without tearing things apart, which I dont want to do at all if I dont have to. For reference, the rear axel is a DANA 70 with power lock.
The lift kit isnt that high, so the angle in the DS doesn't seem very excessive.

Any advice at all would be very helpful. Thanks!
 
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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 06:08 PM
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One other thing... Rear tranny mount looks good and solid. I havent tried putting a jack under it but it looks fine.
Here is an odd thing. I just went out and lay down in the snow. I put the jack under the rear diff and lifted the whole rear axel up in the air. (the DS is still off) I then rotated the one tire, and both turned together. I then went underneath and turned the flange on the diff. Both wheel appear to be locked together through the diff... I cant get one to stop rotating or for them to move independently from each other... there is absolutely no play through the diff to the wheels... but it seems odd. I dont know if the Power-Lok is supposed to work this way... or if someone has modified the rear end... or if possibly the locking diff is stuck on?? ANy thoughts?
 
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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 06:45 PM
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sounds like you have a limited slip differential if both tire spin the same direction. that is a good thing. it will help your truck get better traction. i know my ramcharger takes off real good with the LSD.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 07:09 PM
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Ok update:

I got stuck on the front lawn... 6 inches of snow and no rear wheels lol... i got mad and threw the rear drive shaft back in... I still had the rear end in the air so I started her up and ran it through the gears... everything felt good. I left it in gear spinning and walked around the truck... looked good, good DS alignment. Put it back on the ground and took her for a rip... it was perfect! It was smooth as can be! I dont know what was going on before, but something was obviously misaligned or something... I changed nothing... I didnt mark the DS position, so it is possible it is 90 degrees from where it was but thats it... it drove like a champ!

Thanks for all the input! Seriously... im very pleased right now.

Also, with regards to the diff, I did some googling and found that I have a locked diff... so its never free to spin... sucks for turning, but great for snow and what not.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 07:16 PM
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if it sucks turning then you are not going around the corner fast enough lol. have you taken it around a couple corners? if you go fairly slow around a corner you will notice the wheel hop it may have a locker. if you don't have the wheel hop then you most likely have a limit slip differential which only really lock when you stomp on the gas or are able to freely turn the rear axle.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 07:33 PM
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Lol... Yup, for sure a locker.... Hops all over... The short wheel base and big tires make it more noticable...
 
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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 07:45 PM
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lets just hope it is not a lincoln locker in there. you only do that to demolition or off road vehicle. not very nice when they eventually break free.
 
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Old Mar 19, 2013 | 07:47 PM
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Not sure, but i dont want to open to find out either.... Im just glad she isnt shaking like a paint mixer anymore
 
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Old Mar 20, 2013 | 07:13 AM
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It could be your injectors. My dads f250 7.3 would shake really bad when you got on it and we replaced the injectors and that fixed it.
 
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Old Mar 20, 2013 | 10:54 AM
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I am going to bet it was the DS 180 out. I had that problem with my first Chevelle SS after I replaced the U joints. I could not figure out why the thing shook so violently when under hard accel. Well, I had stuck the DS back in 180 out of where it came out. Took 15 minutes to fix and I was so happy when it turned out to be so easy!
 
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