2009 Ram Hemi Superchips Tuning Released
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OK, thanks for that information. For reference, if I currently have my truck on the canned 93 tune then what is my approximate level of TM? In my oh so feeble mind TM was just sensors telling the ECM when tires were breaking loose and then torque (throttle?) is adjusted accordingly. In this closed loop, I do not understand the role of the transmission. Is it the case then that the ECM controls wheel spin via the transmission as well as the throttle? So far I am very happy with my tuner, thanks for your time and efforts!
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NOTHING DEROGITORY ABOUT SUPERCHIPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But did anyone else snicker at the site for the TM shift suggestions?
Here's the website: http://www.mcfail.net/superchips/
Sorry, back to our regularly scheduled program....
But did anyone else snicker at the site for the TM shift suggestions?
Here's the website: http://www.mcfail.net/superchips/
Sorry, back to our regularly scheduled program....
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Dude - this is Jeremy McFail, aka 0212353 over on every other forum I am on. Yeah, my last name is funny - but has nothing to do with SuperChips, I just allowed space on my personal website to house the excel files.
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I wasn't making fun of either separately, just when you put the two together........ New feature...... site name..... I found it a little amusing, but I have been told that I am not all there.
I should have been a little more specific. "Nothing derogatory about Superchips or the owner of the site".
And THANK YOU for hosting that. I should have said that in the first post as well. I don't have a tuner yet, but I am sure others will find it very useful.
Ron
I should have been a little more specific. "Nothing derogatory about Superchips or the owner of the site".
And THANK YOU for hosting that. I should have said that in the first post as well. I don't have a tuner yet, but I am sure others will find it very useful.
Ron
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Superchips official release announcement and some important information in this post. Please read.
Its official people, the Superchips Advanced Trans Tuning upgrade for the 04-09 HEMI Ram trucks and 04-08 HEMI Durango's goes online Monday May 3rd.
This is an exciting moment for us here at Superchips and we believe that you will feel the same way we do about this option once in your hands.
I will post the coupon code that same Monday so that everyone waiting will have the chance to use it as the release comes online.
Thanks for everyone’s patience and interest in this option. The betas have been the backbone of this project from day one and they deserve thanks as well. We couldn't have done it without them.
Scott
A synopsis of important information. Also, the transmission options FAQ is available here: http://www.mcfail.net/superchips/
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Just an FYI to all and a very important step during the transmission options upgrade process.
In order to upgrade to the transmission options, when it's released, you must be VIN locked (your truck has to be tuned) during the update.
If you are not VIN locked (your truck is tuned) during the update, the upgrade will not go through.
This is a necessary step to electronically sign the legal waiver and authorize the upgrade.
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There's shift logic built into the program. It won't allow you to stack shifts. Excellent safety feature.
The most important part of setting your shift schedule is, just be mindful not to cross your up and down shifts. That's where you can force an up and down shift loop. The excel graph gives you a good visual of how this could happen and is the number one reason you should use the graphs.
You can set the up and down shifts closer. The closer, the quicker the up and down shift will transition, but stay away from overlap.
I've attached two example graphs to give you an idea. The first one is fine, the second is not.
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WRONG:
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Jeremy (one of our beta testers) was nice enough to host user shift schedules on his website. Thanks J.
These schedules are user schedules and aren't endorsed by Superchips. Totally done by the beta testers. We have a few schedules up now and we'll add more as we go along. This will be an easy way to access user shift schedules.
Please bookmark the URL.
Here's the website: http://www.mcfail.net/superchips/
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New feature.
The feature will allow the user to choose Stock TM or Superchips TM, with either the Stock shift schedule or Superchips shift schedule. This will allow you to use Superchips tuning with any combination mentioned.
This is an either/or option. It does not offer the ability to fine tune like the transmission options will (when released).
It's a nice feature for those folks who prefer the stock schedule or stock torque management, with Superchips tuning.
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The transmission options are VIN specific. They can't be moved from one VIN to another VIN.
The upgrade fee would apply to any new VIN.
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Just a reminder.
Be aware that you have to choose your PCM model to view the correct PIDS for you truck in DAQ.
NGC4 2007+
NGC3 2006
NGC3 2004-2005
The reason I mention this is, you'll see both NGC3 and NGC4 in the menu.
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Originally Posted by Scott@Superchips
Its official people, the Superchips Advanced Trans Tuning upgrade for the 04-09 HEMI Ram trucks and 04-08 HEMI Durango's goes online Monday May 3rd.
This is an exciting moment for us here at Superchips and we believe that you will feel the same way we do about this option once in your hands.
I will post the coupon code that same Monday so that everyone waiting will have the chance to use it as the release comes online.
Thanks for everyone’s patience and interest in this option. The betas have been the backbone of this project from day one and they deserve thanks as well. We couldn't have done it without them.
Scott
Originally Posted by SilsHemi
A synopsis of important information. Also, the transmission options FAQ is available here: http://www.mcfail.net/superchips/
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __
Just an FYI to all and a very important step during the transmission options upgrade process.
In order to upgrade to the transmission options, when it's released, you must be VIN locked (your truck has to be tuned) during the update.
If you are not VIN locked (your truck is tuned) during the update, the upgrade will not go through.
This is a necessary step to electronically sign the legal waiver and authorize the upgrade.
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __
There's shift logic built into the program. It won't allow you to stack shifts. Excellent safety feature.
The most important part of setting your shift schedule is, just be mindful not to cross your up and down shifts. That's where you can force an up and down shift loop. The excel graph gives you a good visual of how this could happen and is the number one reason you should use the graphs.
You can set the up and down shifts closer. The closer, the quicker the up and down shift will transition, but stay away from overlap.
I've attached two example graphs to give you an idea. The first one is fine, the second is not.
RIGHT:
WRONG:
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__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __
Jeremy (one of our beta testers) was nice enough to host user shift schedules on his website. Thanks J.
These schedules are user schedules and aren't endorsed by Superchips. Totally done by the beta testers. We have a few schedules up now and we'll add more as we go along. This will be an easy way to access user shift schedules.
Please bookmark the URL.
Here's the website: http://www.mcfail.net/superchips/
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__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __
New feature.
The feature will allow the user to choose Stock TM or Superchips TM, with either the Stock shift schedule or Superchips shift schedule. This will allow you to use Superchips tuning with any combination mentioned.
This is an either/or option. It does not offer the ability to fine tune like the transmission options will (when released).
It's a nice feature for those folks who prefer the stock schedule or stock torque management, with Superchips tuning.
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __
The transmission options are VIN specific. They can't be moved from one VIN to another VIN.
The upgrade fee would apply to any new VIN.
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __
__________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __________________________________________________ __
Just a reminder.
Be aware that you have to choose your PCM model to view the correct PIDS for you truck in DAQ.
NGC4 2007+
NGC3 2006
NGC3 2004-2005
The reason I mention this is, you'll see both NGC3 and NGC4 in the menu.
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Originally Posted by SilsHemi
For those who do not have Microsoft Office, there's a great open source office software suite called OpenOffice.
OpenOffice will allow you open and work the excel spread sheets we use for shift schedules.
Here's the URL: http://www.openoffice.org/
OpenOffice will allow you open and work the excel spread sheets we use for shift schedules.
Here's the URL: http://www.openoffice.org/
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Originally Posted by SilsHemi
Keep this in mind when sharing user shift schedules.
It's preferable you share shift schedules within the same model year. The reason being, throttle position percentages vary from year to year. Keep in mind they can still vary in the same year of truck in some circumstances.
Example: A 2007 Ram 2500 will not have the same throttle positions as a 2007 Ram 1500.
They may be similar in this case, but there will be variances.
It's preferable you share shift schedules within the same model year. The reason being, throttle position percentages vary from year to year. Keep in mind they can still vary in the same year of truck in some circumstances.
Example: A 2007 Ram 2500 will not have the same throttle positions as a 2007 Ram 1500.
They may be similar in this case, but there will be variances.
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Originally Posted by SilsHemi
Another tip.
When inputting a shift schedule, you may not have the max value in a particular TP% available. Don't worry. As you enter your values for the next shift points (2,3, etc.), you can go back to those previous shifts and your max value will have increased. Now you can input the value that previously could not be entered.
This is the shift logic safety feature kicking in and protecting you from stacking shifts.
When inputting a shift schedule, you may not have the max value in a particular TP% available. Don't worry. As you enter your values for the next shift points (2,3, etc.), you can go back to those previous shifts and your max value will have increased. Now you can input the value that previously could not be entered.
This is the shift logic safety feature kicking in and protecting you from stacking shifts.
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Originally Posted by SilsHemi
Just a reminder in regards to torque management.
Setting torque management to 0% will not yield the best results. Leaving some TM in the mix produces a quicker shift.
The beta testers confirmed this during testing.
From the FAQ:
Q: Should I set torque management to 0% or leave in some percentage?
A: You should leave some TM in all of the shifts because the shifts will complete quicker with some load reduction. 0% doesn't necessarily mean a quicker shift; it means the engine is not reducing power during the shift. Think about it in the sense of friction, if you are applying torque to the transmission, the higher the friction. If you reduce it a little the lower the friction and this is a non-linear reduction. Too much torque and the truck will lag its shifts.
Setting torque management to 0% will not yield the best results. Leaving some TM in the mix produces a quicker shift.
The beta testers confirmed this during testing.
From the FAQ:
Q: Should I set torque management to 0% or leave in some percentage?
A: You should leave some TM in all of the shifts because the shifts will complete quicker with some load reduction. 0% doesn't necessarily mean a quicker shift; it means the engine is not reducing power during the shift. Think about it in the sense of friction, if you are applying torque to the transmission, the higher the friction. If you reduce it a little the lower the friction and this is a non-linear reduction. Too much torque and the truck will lag its shifts.
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Originally Posted by SilsHemi
Just a reminder.
The shift schedules the beta testers provide on the web server are their own personal schedules. Superchips had no input in these schedules whatsoever and they will not be providing any USER shift schedules. This is totally a USER custom tuning product for your transmission.
The reason for this reminder is, everyone has different thoughts on how our trucks should shift. Invariably there will be folks who load up a personal shift schedule and not like part of the schedule. This is when the USER comes into play and makes the necessary adjustments in the schedule to their liking.
Again, this is a USER custom tuning product. Please keep that in mind when working with the tuning.
The shift schedules the beta testers provide on the web server are their own personal schedules. Superchips had no input in these schedules whatsoever and they will not be providing any USER shift schedules. This is totally a USER custom tuning product for your transmission.
The reason for this reminder is, everyone has different thoughts on how our trucks should shift. Invariably there will be folks who load up a personal shift schedule and not like part of the schedule. This is when the USER comes into play and makes the necessary adjustments in the schedule to their liking.
Again, this is a USER custom tuning product. Please keep that in mind when working with the tuning.
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OK,, im excited but getting a little overwhelmed.lol. do you have to mess with the shift schedule to take adv. of the torque management reduction?
so im also kinda confused. on our superchips programmers now we can adjust shift points between the 1-2 , 2-3 shift point by 50rpm incriments..
what are you exactly changing in the new shift schedules? after reading the excel sheet couple more questions.
what does the tp% stand for?
so im also kinda confused. on our superchips programmers now we can adjust shift points between the 1-2 , 2-3 shift point by 50rpm incriments..
what are you exactly changing in the new shift schedules? after reading the excel sheet couple more questions.
what does the tp% stand for?
Last edited by crod; May 1, 2010 at 04:17 PM.
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OK,, im excited but getting a little overwhelmed.lol. do you have to mess with the shift schedule to take adv. of the torque management reduction?
so im also kinda confused. on our superchips programmers now we can adjust shift points between the 1-2 , 2-3 shift point by 50rpm incriments..
what are you exactly changing in the new shift schedules? after reading the excel sheet couple more questions.
what does the tp% stand for?
so im also kinda confused. on our superchips programmers now we can adjust shift points between the 1-2 , 2-3 shift point by 50rpm incriments..
what are you exactly changing in the new shift schedules? after reading the excel sheet couple more questions.
what does the tp% stand for?
You're adjusting MPH. (This is the correct way to do it. When you see this option done in RPM, that's incorrect and prone to errors.)
You can adjust all your part throttle shift points. 1-4 up / 2-5 down. It's really incredible.
You set your shift schedule and adjust your TM or you can do either/or. The great thing is, you'll have a user shift schedule to start with. Betas didn't have that advantage.
Just become familiar with the important information and read the FAQ. Download one of the schedules for '09. When you have the programmer and schedule in hand, it will make better sense.
Sil
Last edited by SilsHemi; May 1, 2010 at 04:42 PM.
