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Old 07-13-2006, 01:03 PM
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I'm working on a plan for my engine compartment to put into effect in the next 3 years.
I hope to put out near or above 800Hp at the rear wheels.
heres the kicker, I want it to fit under the hood, and no exterior body mods.
No NOS,
pump gas
I'm lookin to keep it legal, and run low 10s

I know I'm looking at a new engine and tons of work

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single or multiple turbo's are the only way thats going to happen. and you can completely forget about passing any emmissions standards, driveability, comfort ect.. i think a more reasonable number would be 500HP that you can drive to the grocery store. and more reasonable then that is to install a supercharger on a slightly built motor. unless you turn it to a dedicated race truck i dont think its going to happen.
 
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How about a twin turbo 408? that would make it close.
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if it had a streetable cam and you kept it fuel injected you might stand a chance. i think a crate motor is in order for you. take this 380HP crate motor and put a fuel injecting kit and supercharger on it with 4-6 psi of boost and you should get well over 500HP and keep it streetable.
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A crate was part of the plan in the first place.
I just think I want something bigger than a 360
I just don't know what from there, I want a unique setup so people can't guess.
thanks for the advice guys keep it up
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You're not going to get anywhere near 800hp with a crate motor. I wouldn't even do 500 with one of them. They've got cast pistons and a cast crank. You'll need to build a motor if you want that kind of power. If you keep it a smallblock, you'll want to get a 4-bolt block and go with forged pistons and a forged crank. You're looking at about $2200 alone for the block plus another what, $1500 for the rotating assembly. It adds up quick if you want reliable power.

My advice is to either readjust your power goal or look into swapping a viper V-10 into it. With an extra 120-140 cubic inches over a stock 360 it'll make power that much easier.
 
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Can a viper go in without exterior bodywork, and be streetable?
It would be sweet but I didn't think it would fit.
What would it cost, 20-30 grand?
Now that you've piqued my interest, what mods would I need to do to the truck itself?

But could I build an engine with more hp and smaller in actual size.
I would think It would be easier in the long run to build an engine from the block up and shoehorn it in,
than to get a viper powerplant and spend months just trying to get it in the truck and get it running.
I want to be sure of my plan before i spend a dollar to get a better dime.

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A viper would demolish any ricer on the streets.
A Dak with a stock 5.2L would demolish most ricers on the street, since most just add a spolier (20HP) and a fart can (10HP), and some stickers (1HP each) and call it good.
Last summer, I pulled next to a Honda (an Accord I think) on the street. I was driving my cousins 94 S-10 I4 (with 3 people in the cab, 3 in the bed), I looked over, saw the fart can, the stickers, and told myself "Oh yea, here we go!" And I won. Yea, thats right. Of course, I didn't celebrate, its just a ricer.
Them Dak's with the 5.2L I would imagine have some *****. I know my friends Grand Cherokee with the 5.2L is pretty good.
 
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my sisters got the 318
2 words, ***** UP!
the thing is a beast
2wd, auto, ext cab
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Here's what I'd do for a reliable excess of power.

Get a junkyard Dana 60 rear end, stick a limited slip diff in it with 3.55 or 3.73 gears in it, have it narrowed if needed, and either get some decent disc brakes or the hd 12x3" drums

Have a driveshaft made, good u-joints, etc.

You'll need to find a strong tranny, and I'm not sure what you'd want to get.

Start with a magnum 360 block, from a junkyard, get it torn down, checked for cracks, cylinders bored out as little as possible just to clean them up, stick a forged 4" stroker cran and forged rotating assembly, bump the compression up a bit to the high-9's or low 10's, get a set of Edelbrock magnum heads and have them cleaned up a little, get a cam custom ground, get it balanced and blueprinted, 2" primary headers if they'll fit under hood, M1 intake manifold, of course you'll need big fuel injectors, a pressure regulator, perhaps a good fuel rail, new fuel lines, fuel pump, good water pump, oil pump, distributor, ignition module, the ECU - I'd talk to one of the big chrysler tuning companies and see if they can't get a tune done, you may need to rent some dyno time and have somebody flown in, I dunno how that would work. Otherwise you're looking at stand alone engine management which is a pita, or removing the fuel injection and getting a carb, which is also a pita.

For the kind of power levels you're talking about, it's not going to be cheap. A N/A buildup like so would get you an impressive amount of power, but I think it would be in the 500's at most, and with forged internals you could add a small shot of nitrous, but I'm not sure how much power the block would take before splitting in 2. After a certain point you'd have to go with a race block.

If you were aiming at say 400hp, the budget drops considerably. A 9.25" axle off a v8 dakota would be fine, you may want a beefier limited slip unit though, stock v8 driveshaft would probably be fine, cast rotating assembly would be fine (making the shortblocks perfectly fine), and the stock v8 tranny would be fine as well.

Keep in mind that a stock 5.2 puts out about 230hp and 295 lb-ft, and you'd be looking at almost twice the horsepower and a good 100-150 lb-ft more torque.
 



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