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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 02:09 AM
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Basically, whats needed and how do I go about doing it?

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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 02:45 AM
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pvc piping
 
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 10:29 AM
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I really don't know much about pvc but isn't that kinda thick. Maybe a little hard to bend smoothly? Plus its heavier isn't it?
 
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 12:41 PM
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More trouble than it's worth for that mod if you ask me.

PCV is kind of ghetto. Just get an ebay CAI...
 
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 02:13 PM
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could be as easy as a couple of straight exhaust piping pieces with silicone elbows, or as involved as mandrel mending pieces or welding pieces together.

My first CAI was custom until I picked up my Iceman. I went to the local auto parts store and told them what I wanted to do and they let me go in back and search through all the oem exhaust pieces. I found the perfect bend in some Buick piece, brought it back to the shop, and cut it to where I needed it.
 
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Old Oct 18, 2007 | 02:41 PM
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I have a E Bay Kit I can sell you. I bought it and decided to go with a K&N
 
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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 12:52 AM
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Any heat shield needed for the PVC?

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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 03:11 AM
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Any heat shield needed for the PVC?

Mat
no, but like someone said before, a ebay will be prob just as much or maybe a little more, and much easier
 
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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 07:31 AM
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To build an 'effective' CAI that trully improves performance
you need a way to measure
your IAT (intake air sensor)
and MAP (manifold absolute pressure)
sensors.

If the IAT shows lower temperature
and the MAP shows higher pressure
your mods are heading in the right track.

Your cellphone probably has a built in stopwatch
and you need that too,
but it is always better to do acceleration tests
beside another vehicle,
as a 'control'
because air temperature, wind, barometer
can easily fool you by increasing or decreasing performance.

The inventors of the MegaSquirt created this Java application
that is very valuable for measuring performance it you have a flat stretch of road:

http://www.bgsoflex.com/dyno.html

It is also valuable to know how air temperature and air pressure affect the horsepower of an engine.
This is the 'SAE correction' that you will hear rear wheel dyno operators talk about.
Unfortunately it requires a scientific calculator, but every version of the Windows computer operating system has one built in.
See old post below.
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Page 415 of the Bosch Automotive Handbook, 5th edition

http://tinyurl.com/yplr3d

has the two equations you need
to see how horsepower and torque change
when either temperature or pressure change.

For temperature the offical equation
used by Americans (SAE) Europeans (ISO) and Japanese (JIN)
is:

{ Temperature Before + 460/Temperature After +460} raised to exponent 0.6

you need a scientific calculator to do this
but there is one built into every Windows computer
under Start...Accessories

As an example,
say that your re-locate your air inlet to a spot where the air temperature
drops to 80 degrees
when before the air coming in had been 100 degrees.

{100 +460 divided by 80 + 460} raised to exponent 0.6

={560/540} raised to exponent 0.6

= {1.037} raised to exponent 0.6

= 1.022

You mulitply this number times your horsepower or torque
so if your engine.
If your engine makes 230 hp at peak
1.022 times 230 = 235 horsepower with the 20 degree lower air temperature.

You may have heard the 'Rule of Thumb' that each 10 degree F reduction in air
temperature improves horsepower by 'about' 1% and the equation above is where
that comes from, but is more accurate

For corrections when the pressure changes
the following equation is used:

{absolute pressure after/absolute pressure before} raised to exponent 1.2

As an example
say that the weather is changing where you live
and one day the weatherman says the pressure is
29.5 inches of Mercury as a stormy "Low" passes over
then the next day a clear sky "High Pressure Area" passes over
and the pressure rises to 30 inches of Mercury

{30/29.5} raised to exponent 1.2
{1.0169} raised to exponent 1.2
= 1.0204

It is important to realize
that built right into your engine
are IAT (intake air temperature)
and MAP (manifold air pressure)
sensors.

Your IAT and MAP sensor outputs can tell you whether an aftermarket air intake
has helped or hurt your power output. You can read these sensors
yourself by using an OBD-II scanner, or a cheap electrical multimeter.

You are correct to suspect that most CAI's
only make more noise and have flashy colored parts.

Want confirmation about this from a CAI manufacturer?

Well right now KN Filters is running an advertisement in the various hot rod
magazine saying that a typical paper air filter from the factory creates a
restriction of about 2.8 inches of water....and when this filter gets really
dirty the restriction rises to about 12 inches of water restriction. The KN
advertisement has a dyno graph showing that this can cause about 11 hp power
loss on a high horsepower engine.

The pressure of the air around us is about 404 inches of water
so KN Filter is saying that the pressure is changing from
404 - 2.8 = 401.2
to a new pressure of
404 - 12 = 392 inches of water

Play around with the equations above
and you can find out what the actual horsepower of the engine KN was using
was....and then confirm it by looking at the dyno graph in the advertisement.





 
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Old Oct 19, 2007 | 12:31 PM
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uhhhhhhh my head hurts....... quicker to just get an ebay one unless you like building things.
 
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