I just started a thread about a new car that dodge might want to look into making, any thoughts/comments would be appreicated. Thanks and heres the link.

https://dodgeforum.com/forum/brand-n...ml#post2465249

 

The "adult" market is 45-60 y/o, and the "young" is 25-40? Either way, I don't see the Charger being an "adult" car. Also, Dodge has had the opportunity to make another small, fun car and we got the Caliber and the Avenger; both of which are disappointments IMO. They've also had the opportunity to make a powerful mid-size car, and thus far, there is nothing being offered with the new models that compare to what other companies are offering.

Ford is offering a lot of car nowadays for less than many other companies. A fully loaded, but stock Mustang GT with higher rear axle gearing, that can take down the newest M3 (which of course has upgraded everything), for $30K?

It's unfortunate, but all Dodge has is the new Charger to offer as a competitor, price-wise. A new Charger R/T, not even fully loaded, is in at least the upper $30K range. Auto only. 5.7L with 370HP. Horrible gear ratios in the rear. If an R/T is nearing $40K fairly easily, what will an SRT model cost when/if it comes out? That boat of an SRT Challenger starts in the mid-$40K range and is the worst out of the three "muscle" cars around these days.

Dodge has work to do. There is no doubt about it.

 

darthroush

I agree there are some decent cars out there that are sport cars but the mustang and challenger I consider "full" size and what I'm saying is "mid" size. There is no midsize sports car (I consider that coupe only) on the market now, american brand atleast that is worth buying. The avenger is a sedan and even if converted looks like trash and need 20k worth of better build quality and materials engine etc. I'm not looking for a huge full size muscle car and I know a ton of people are in the same boat who are not teenagers and want a car that is a step up from the small car market. Bringing back the neon or other discussion of caliber etc etc have nothing to do with what I'm talking about. I don't want a small or full size car, so what are my options? Not much. I did find that the eclipse is only coupe and mid size running around 30k, not a bad choice but not quite aggressive enough for me bringing me back to the 370z. which also starts at 30k but the sporty editions are 37k and 40k for nismo.

 

A Crown Victoria is a full-size car. You consider mid-size cars to be coupes...that's what the Mustang and Challenger are, albeit the Challenger is a large one. The Avenger is not a full-size car either, even though it has 4-doors...is your Neon a full-size since it isn't a coupe? Being a sedan does not make a car full-size either. I know the real mid-size options aren't there. Since you seem to be defining everything differently than the rest of the world, you might want to type up a list of what you mean so the rest of us know what you are talking about.

As far as the Neon and Caliber having nothing to do with what you were talking about, since we are on a Dodge forum, I just thought I'd mention they need to do some work there too.

From what I gather based on your reply, you don't really want discussion. You only want people to reply with, "Yes, I think Dodge should make a "mid-size" (again, your definition is different than the rest of the world's though) performance car at a reasonable price."

 

First of all I'm not defining anything on my own terms. I am saying a "sport" car in my mind does not have 4 doors period reguardless of its size and I think most people in the world agree.

Second I am literally talking about size dimension.

Dodge Neon: (small/compact)
External dimensions: overall length (inches): 174.4, overall width (inches): 67.4, overall height

Dodge Avenger: (midsize)
External dimensions: overall length (inches): 190.9, overall width (inches): 71.8, overall height

Dodge Challenger: (fullsize)
External dimensions: overall length (inches): 197.7, overall width (inches): 75.7, overall height

Dodge Charger (fullsize)***for reference
External dimensions: overall length (inches): 200.1, overall width (inches): 74.5, overall height

Each car between categories are about 10 inch in difference or about a foot

Wow what do you know each car is bigger than the next like I said... Anyway to avoid a fight and keep this at an argument level which is constructive I will just say this.

I'm looking for a personal car as I have mentioned before and just relized there are very few cars that fit a category in which I know a lot of people in my similar situation are looking for. College grads with decent entry level jobs, or popular term young professionals. That being said these people do not want crap cars anymore and they still want a certain sex appeal to them. Very few company's have this market and what I was looking for where suggestions and thoughts on how companies such as dodge who I enjoy being a customer of could approach this market at a more effective level.

 

I personally don't think there are very many options out there for brand new vehicles that I would think about buying.

So far nothing has really caught my eye American or Foreign, at least at a decent price.

 

You aren't defining your own terms, but in your mind, that's what they are?
Vehicle size class is officially determined by interior volume, in cubic feet in the US, or seating capacity; not length. For reference, my 2002 Mustang is only 10" longer than my Neon; but you're saying the Mustang skips right over mid-size into full-size? My Mustang is 7" shorter than the Avenger, which you say is a mid-size car. Heck, the new Mustang is 188" long; that's still shorter than the Avenger. Again, since you are going by length, you are defining what they are yourself. Evidence

According to that same website, sorting by "Market Class," the Dodge Challenger and Ford Mustang are both sports/sporty cars. The Dodge Charger is a large sedan; that is a big car.

I am agreeing with your last part, I don't understand either why you think this needs to be a "fight." You asked for thoughts and comments. Just because mine, as I've already said, aren't what you wanted to hear, this needs to be a fight? I've said Dodge doesn't have anything to offer for what you are wanting. I don't get what you are still trying to defend or explain on that part?