2nd Gen Neon 2000 - 2005 2nd Gen Neon

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Old Jun 12, 2019 | 07:46 PM
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I didn't get a read on the old plugs, but what I can do, is pull the ones that are in my engine now, and check their condition. With the high primary resistance found on the coil pack, should I look at replacing it?
 

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Old Jun 13, 2019 | 07:23 AM
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Here are photos of the plugs out of my '04 2.0. They have approx 2000 miles of in town, and highway driving on them. Photo 1 is cyl 4, second one is cyl 3, third is cyl 2, bottom photo is cyl 1. They are gapped as per spec.



 

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Old Jun 14, 2019 | 10:04 PM
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Ok good idea to have posted plug photos. Photo-1 cyl 4 plug, is that a piece of carbon between the center electrode & ground lug, or just a out of focus black something or other in the back ground?


Photo-2 cylinder 3 plug, is the dark line at about the 3oclock position a crack in the internal ceramic insulator?
 
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Old Jun 15, 2019 | 06:58 AM
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Originally Posted by paw paw
Ok good idea to have posted plug photos. Photo-1 cyl 4 plug, is that a piece of carbon between the center electrode & ground lug, or just a out of focus black something or other in the back ground?


Photo-2 cylinder 3 plug, is the dark line at about the 3oclock position a crack in the internal ceramic insulator?
On the cyl 4 photo, yes, is just out of focus. I can re check the #2 plug. Bought a good coil at an auto recycler yard, I will take it on a road trip today and see what it does.
 
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Old Jun 15, 2019 | 10:05 AM
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Check the salvaged coil pack to the FSM resistance readings for the Primary & Secondary resistance values according to the plug wire tower metal contact color.

Maybe call around & see which auto parts store can bench check the coil pack for proper out put voltage. Most can & will perform this bench test at no cost.

Good idea to road test the vehicle, as it'll get everything good & warm, dried out & up to full operating temp. Also include a good steep grade, so you load the engine at low & high speeds, to see if the spark gets under load blow out / misfire.

Another thought about the #3 plug photo, make sure that dark line on the internal insulator isn't a electrical break down carbon track path. If it is, clean it off if you use the plug. A metal, or paint polish & hard wooden stick will usually tidy the insulator up. Blast it clean with a brake or intake manifold, or electrical parts cleaner to get things squeaky clean If it was a carbon track & you have another miss on the road test, add that plug to the suspect list, especially if the computer flags the #3 cylinder with a misfire code.

More thoughts for consideration, let us know how it goes.
 

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Old Jun 15, 2019 | 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by paw paw
Check the salvaged coil pack to the FSM resistance readings for the Primary & Secondary resistance values according to the plug wire tower metal contact color.

Maybe call around & see which auto parts store can bench check the coil pack for proper out put voltage. Most can & will perform this bench test at no cost.

Good idea to road test the vehicle, as it'll get everything good & warm, dried out & up to full operating temp. Also include a good steep grade, so you load the engine at low & high speeds, to see if the spark gets under load blow out / misfire.

Another thought about the #3 plug photo, make sure that dark line on the internal insulator isn't a electrical break down carbon track path. If it is, clean it off if you use the plug. A metal, or paint polish & hard wooden stick will usually tidy the insulator up. Blast it clean with a brake or intake manifold, or electrical parts cleaner to get things squeaky clean If it was a carbon track & you have another miss on the road test, add that plug to the suspect list, especially if the computer flags the #3 cylinder with a misfire code.

More thoughts for consideration, let us know how it goes.
Took it on a long road trip, 142 miles total, some good hills in the area I was in. Pulled the hills with zero miss,more power than it had. Got 38 mpg for the round trip
 
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Old Jun 15, 2019 | 09:32 PM
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Ok good feedback, so are you about to color this puppy fixed?
 
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Old Jun 15, 2019 | 11:37 PM
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Ok good feedback, so are you about to color this puppy fixed?
Yes, it ran flawlessly from cold this morning till I got home, never missed a beat. Thanks for all the replies and help !
 
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Ok, case closed, looks like the salvage coil pack did the trick, good find fix & feedback.
 
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Old Jun 16, 2019 | 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by paw paw
Ok, case closed, looks like the salvage coil pack did the trick, good find fix & feedback.
The coil I took off was a MasterPro brand from O'Reilly, I was told, by an O'Reilly employee no less, that brand of ignition components aren't the best quality.
 
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