Random idle miss when cold
I didn't get a read on the old plugs, but what I can do, is pull the ones that are in my engine now, and check their condition. With the high primary resistance found on the coil pack, should I look at replacing it?
Last edited by 2004 Neon SE; Jun 12, 2019 at 11:01 PM.
Ok good idea to have posted plug photos. Photo-1 cyl 4 plug, is that a piece of carbon between the center electrode & ground lug, or just a out of focus black something or other in the back ground?
Photo-2 cylinder 3 plug, is the dark line at about the 3oclock position a crack in the internal ceramic insulator?
Photo-2 cylinder 3 plug, is the dark line at about the 3oclock position a crack in the internal ceramic insulator?
Ok good idea to have posted plug photos. Photo-1 cyl 4 plug, is that a piece of carbon between the center electrode & ground lug, or just a out of focus black something or other in the back ground?
Photo-2 cylinder 3 plug, is the dark line at about the 3oclock position a crack in the internal ceramic insulator?
Photo-2 cylinder 3 plug, is the dark line at about the 3oclock position a crack in the internal ceramic insulator?
Check the salvaged coil pack to the FSM resistance readings for the Primary & Secondary resistance values according to the plug wire tower metal contact color.
Maybe call around & see which auto parts store can bench check the coil pack for proper out put voltage. Most can & will perform this bench test at no cost.
Good idea to road test the vehicle, as it'll get everything good & warm, dried out & up to full operating temp. Also include a good steep grade, so you load the engine at low & high speeds, to see if the spark gets under load blow out / misfire.
Another thought about the #3 plug photo, make sure that dark line on the internal insulator isn't a electrical break down carbon track path. If it is, clean it off if you use the plug. A metal, or paint polish & hard wooden stick will usually tidy the insulator up. Blast it clean with a brake or intake manifold, or electrical parts cleaner to get things squeaky clean If it was a carbon track & you have another miss on the road test, add that plug to the suspect list, especially if the computer flags the #3 cylinder with a misfire code.
More thoughts for consideration, let us know how it goes.
Maybe call around & see which auto parts store can bench check the coil pack for proper out put voltage. Most can & will perform this bench test at no cost.
Good idea to road test the vehicle, as it'll get everything good & warm, dried out & up to full operating temp. Also include a good steep grade, so you load the engine at low & high speeds, to see if the spark gets under load blow out / misfire.
Another thought about the #3 plug photo, make sure that dark line on the internal insulator isn't a electrical break down carbon track path. If it is, clean it off if you use the plug. A metal, or paint polish & hard wooden stick will usually tidy the insulator up. Blast it clean with a brake or intake manifold, or electrical parts cleaner to get things squeaky clean If it was a carbon track & you have another miss on the road test, add that plug to the suspect list, especially if the computer flags the #3 cylinder with a misfire code.
More thoughts for consideration, let us know how it goes.
Last edited by paw paw; Jun 15, 2019 at 10:13 AM.
Check the salvaged coil pack to the FSM resistance readings for the Primary & Secondary resistance values according to the plug wire tower metal contact color.
Maybe call around & see which auto parts store can bench check the coil pack for proper out put voltage. Most can & will perform this bench test at no cost.
Good idea to road test the vehicle, as it'll get everything good & warm, dried out & up to full operating temp. Also include a good steep grade, so you load the engine at low & high speeds, to see if the spark gets under load blow out / misfire.
Another thought about the #3 plug photo, make sure that dark line on the internal insulator isn't a electrical break down carbon track path. If it is, clean it off if you use the plug. A metal, or paint polish & hard wooden stick will usually tidy the insulator up. Blast it clean with a brake or intake manifold, or electrical parts cleaner to get things squeaky clean If it was a carbon track & you have another miss on the road test, add that plug to the suspect list, especially if the computer flags the #3 cylinder with a misfire code.
More thoughts for consideration, let us know how it goes.
Maybe call around & see which auto parts store can bench check the coil pack for proper out put voltage. Most can & will perform this bench test at no cost.
Good idea to road test the vehicle, as it'll get everything good & warm, dried out & up to full operating temp. Also include a good steep grade, so you load the engine at low & high speeds, to see if the spark gets under load blow out / misfire.
Another thought about the #3 plug photo, make sure that dark line on the internal insulator isn't a electrical break down carbon track path. If it is, clean it off if you use the plug. A metal, or paint polish & hard wooden stick will usually tidy the insulator up. Blast it clean with a brake or intake manifold, or electrical parts cleaner to get things squeaky clean If it was a carbon track & you have another miss on the road test, add that plug to the suspect list, especially if the computer flags the #3 cylinder with a misfire code.
More thoughts for consideration, let us know how it goes.
Yes, it ran flawlessly from cold this morning till I got home, never missed a beat. Thanks for all the replies and help !
The coil I took off was a MasterPro brand from O'Reilly, I was told, by an O'Reilly employee no less, that brand of ignition components aren't the best quality.


