The Official 2nd Gen RAM Forum OT thread
Legend
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I will disagree on a few points here. I will point out I was not a fan of bush, and I am far from an expert on politics. However, those supporting Obama cannot blame bush forever for struggles that Obama has, just like Clinton got blamed for a lot of issues bush had. A quick search showed that Obama and bush have similar executive order numbers, as Obama of course hasn't finished his term.
There is little cooperation between parties, I will agree there. Everyone blames the republicans for the government shutdown, but I hesitate to blame them completely. Now correct me if I am wrong, but te senate was responsible for submitted a budget proposal for the house of reps to approve, with the house being republicans, and the senate being liberal. So one could view it as the senate not being willing to submit a proposal that the house thought was acceptable. It made it look like it was all the republicans fault, which forced them to fold because everyone was getting pissed at them. Again, I know there is more to this than someone like me understands.
And about the republicans getting mad about not bombing Syria, I'm not sure about that. From what I remember , tere were very few fans of that plan on either side, and Obama himself said that he would consider it if he felt it was necessary. I feel like the race card gets played too much, and it's an excuse in some situations as to the reason that people don't like him, compared to people just not agreeing with his policies.
There is little cooperation between parties, I will agree there. Everyone blames the republicans for the government shutdown, but I hesitate to blame them completely. Now correct me if I am wrong, but te senate was responsible for submitted a budget proposal for the house of reps to approve, with the house being republicans, and the senate being liberal. So one could view it as the senate not being willing to submit a proposal that the house thought was acceptable. It made it look like it was all the republicans fault, which forced them to fold because everyone was getting pissed at them. Again, I know there is more to this than someone like me understands.
And about the republicans getting mad about not bombing Syria, I'm not sure about that. From what I remember , tere were very few fans of that plan on either side, and Obama himself said that he would consider it if he felt it was necessary. I feel like the race card gets played too much, and it's an excuse in some situations as to the reason that people don't like him, compared to people just not agreeing with his policies.
Not to say things haven't gotten worse with Obama but is there a clear easy solution?
If Obama pulls ALL troops out of combat and brings them home he's weak, if he sticks to a timeline for withdrawal it up's the debt, there's no way for him to win.
Bush cannot be blamed for everything but he certainly has had an impact on the financial well being of this country that will last for quite some time.
If I remember right, which I could be wrong, it was all over Republican News, sorry, Fox News, several Republican members of Congress where mad at Obama over suggesting he would strike Syria and with the help of Russia he didn't need to.
All budgets are supposed to originate in the house. That was one of their malfunctions.
Obama using an executive order to increase gas mileage requirements for trucks MAKES HIM the problem. That is all on him, congress has nothing to do with it.
Obama doesn't have a clue. His foreign policy sucks, his budgeting sucks, the direction he is trying to take the country sucks, the ACA was an end run trying to fix a symptom of a much larger problem, and missed......
Of course, Washington in general isn't in the business of solving problems. They would put themselves out of a job.
Obama using an executive order to increase gas mileage requirements for trucks MAKES HIM the problem. That is all on him, congress has nothing to do with it.
Obama doesn't have a clue. His foreign policy sucks, his budgeting sucks, the direction he is trying to take the country sucks, the ACA was an end run trying to fix a symptom of a much larger problem, and missed......
Of course, Washington in general isn't in the business of solving problems. They would put themselves out of a job.
I agree that Obama isn't perfect, hell, isn't even half the President that Clinton was (his faults included), but the Republican Party can't do any better than Mitt Romney or John McCain, they are truly, a for the rich people political party.
But I'm sure we could debate over this until the next Presidential Election, soooooo....
Who's ready for baseball!?
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Tis true, one cannot blame Bush for all of the problems (economic) facing Obama and our Country, but lets face it, Bush came into office with a surplus, and exited with a huge debt, laregly in part to tax cuts to the rich and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Not to say things haven't gotten worse with Obama but is there a clear easy solution?
If Obama pulls ALL troops out of combat and brings them home he's weak, if he sticks to a timeline for withdrawal it up's the debt, there's no way for him to win.
Bush cannot be blamed for everything but he certainly has had an impact on the financial well being of this country that will last for quite some time.
If I remember right, which I could be wrong, it was all over Republican News, sorry, Fox News, several Republican members of Congress where mad at Obama over suggesting he would strike Syria and with the help of Russia he didn't need to.
I still haven't found any info on the Obama requirement for gas mileage on trucks, so I can't fully comment on that. But it sorta goes back to Congress, if they aren't willing to work with the President, he (whoever that may be, in this case Obama), has no choice but either 1) Executive Power or 2) let it die.
I agree that Obama isn't perfect, hell, isn't even half the President that Clinton was (his faults included), but the Republican Party can't do any better than Mitt Romney or John McCain, they are truly, a for the rich people political party.
But I'm sure we could debate over this until the next Presidential Election, soooooo....
Who's ready for baseball!?
Not to say things haven't gotten worse with Obama but is there a clear easy solution?
If Obama pulls ALL troops out of combat and brings them home he's weak, if he sticks to a timeline for withdrawal it up's the debt, there's no way for him to win.
Bush cannot be blamed for everything but he certainly has had an impact on the financial well being of this country that will last for quite some time.
If I remember right, which I could be wrong, it was all over Republican News, sorry, Fox News, several Republican members of Congress where mad at Obama over suggesting he would strike Syria and with the help of Russia he didn't need to.
I still haven't found any info on the Obama requirement for gas mileage on trucks, so I can't fully comment on that. But it sorta goes back to Congress, if they aren't willing to work with the President, he (whoever that may be, in this case Obama), has no choice but either 1) Executive Power or 2) let it die.
I agree that Obama isn't perfect, hell, isn't even half the President that Clinton was (his faults included), but the Republican Party can't do any better than Mitt Romney or John McCain, they are truly, a for the rich people political party.
But I'm sure we could debate over this until the next Presidential Election, soooooo....
Who's ready for baseball!?
And I don't like baseball. lol
Maybe if our public school system wasnt so terrible everyone wouldn't believe everything they hear or see on TV, and could actually form a semi educated opinion with their own thoughts instead of regurgitating whatever radical they saw on the news that day
Champion
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From: Iowa
Tis true, one cannot blame Bush for all of the problems (economic) facing Obama and our Country, but lets face it, Bush came into office with a surplus, and exited with a huge debt, laregly in part to tax cuts to the rich and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Not to say things haven't gotten worse with Obama but is there a clear easy solution?
If Obama pulls ALL troops out of combat and brings them home he's weak, if he sticks to a timeline for withdrawal it up's the debt, there's no way for him to win.
Bush cannot be blamed for everything but he certainly has had an impact on the financial well being of this country that will last for quite some time.
If I remember right, which I could be wrong, it was all over Republican News, sorry, Fox News, several Republican members of Congress where mad at Obama over suggesting he would strike Syria and with the help of Russia he didn't need to.
I still haven't found any info on the Obama requirement for gas mileage on trucks, so I can't fully comment on that. But it sorta goes back to Congress, if they aren't willing to work with the President, he (whoever that may be, in this case Obama), has no choice but either 1) Executive Power or 2) let it die.
I agree that Obama isn't perfect, hell, isn't even half the President that Clinton was (his faults included), but the Republican Party can't do any better than Mitt Romney or John McCain, they are truly, a for the rich people political party.
But I'm sure we could debate over this until the next Presidential Election, soooooo....
Who's ready for baseball!?
Not to say things haven't gotten worse with Obama but is there a clear easy solution?
If Obama pulls ALL troops out of combat and brings them home he's weak, if he sticks to a timeline for withdrawal it up's the debt, there's no way for him to win.
Bush cannot be blamed for everything but he certainly has had an impact on the financial well being of this country that will last for quite some time.
If I remember right, which I could be wrong, it was all over Republican News, sorry, Fox News, several Republican members of Congress where mad at Obama over suggesting he would strike Syria and with the help of Russia he didn't need to.
I still haven't found any info on the Obama requirement for gas mileage on trucks, so I can't fully comment on that. But it sorta goes back to Congress, if they aren't willing to work with the President, he (whoever that may be, in this case Obama), has no choice but either 1) Executive Power or 2) let it die.
I agree that Obama isn't perfect, hell, isn't even half the President that Clinton was (his faults included), but the Republican Party can't do any better than Mitt Romney or John McCain, they are truly, a for the rich people political party.
But I'm sure we could debate over this until the next Presidential Election, soooooo....
Who's ready for baseball!?
In my opinion, I think that this government has simply strayed too far from the "government of the people, by the people, for the people" principle. As a general rule, most people seem to have enough common sense on most issues.
But I generally stay out of US politics haha. Unless RTE radio happens to be debating it, then I'll join my ancestors
Legend
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^ But the U.S. population is groomed to believe whatever the news media tells us...
That's why when people publicly questions events like 9/11 or Sandy Hook they're called conspiracy theorists.
That's why when people publicly questions events like 9/11 or Sandy Hook they're called conspiracy theorists.
Champion
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From: Iowa
Just do a google search to find out what Obama is up to. The news media doesn't directly quote him though so you may not hear him state that it will help our economy unless you find the right sound clip..
) I had to LOL...
Champion
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From: Iowa
Two problems.
One is that it isn't really about fuel economy. It's about emissions again. IIRC the current EPA standard expires in 2014 or something like that. Diesels already are fighting with things like SCR, DPF, and DEF. Those things really hurt engines, and I don't like to mess with DEF either, and no one else does.
Two is that diesels are already very fuel efficient, and there is only so much energy can be squeezed out of a certain amount of fuel. My point: Obama is intruding into territory he probably knows nothing about. It's just a ploy to satisfy the green folks before he leaves office.
One is that it isn't really about fuel economy. It's about emissions again. IIRC the current EPA standard expires in 2014 or something like that. Diesels already are fighting with things like SCR, DPF, and DEF. Those things really hurt engines, and I don't like to mess with DEF either, and no one else does.
Two is that diesels are already very fuel efficient, and there is only so much energy can be squeezed out of a certain amount of fuel. My point: Obama is intruding into territory he probably knows nothing about. It's just a ploy to satisfy the green folks before he leaves office.