Lets see your garages and workshops!
That, and if something hits it, which is very possible in a garage. Some quick searching yielded some interesting hits:
http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/arc.../t-119880.html
I read an article a while back that explained some of the problems when using PVC for compressed air lines. The article said something about how in a shop (like a garage or paint booth, etc.) compressed air fluctates so often that over time it causes the PVC to become brittle (from expanding and contracting so often). Then, all it takes is something to break the PVC and instead of just cracking it shatters/explodes sending fragments through the air at a spend that could severely hurt you.
Your average PVC pipe should NEVER be used as air line. It is too brittle and has a very good chance of exploding. When PVC pipe explodes, it shatters. Copper is the best way to go, and is easy to work with. Get yourself a small pipe cutter, a small cylinder of MAPP gas or propane, a decent torch tip, solder and maybe some flux. It's easy and fun at the same time.
The only other thing you can safely use besides copper is a plastic pipe similar to your average PVC. I can't remember the trade name for it, but I have used it several times when running air lines at work. The pipe and all fittings are a light blue in color. If I remember correctly it is sized using the metric system. That's the easiest way to tell it apart, next to it being light blue in color. It is a softer type plastic, and if the pipe or fittings rupture, they will split lengthwise and not shatter.
If I could only remember the trade name. :smashpc:
The only other thing you can safely use besides copper is a plastic pipe similar to your average PVC. I can't remember the trade name for it, but I have used it several times when running air lines at work. The pipe and all fittings are a light blue in color. If I remember correctly it is sized using the metric system. That's the easiest way to tell it apart, next to it being light blue in color. It is a softer type plastic, and if the pipe or fittings rupture, they will split lengthwise and not shatter.
If I could only remember the trade name. :smashpc:
Dear Mr. Cannova:
In response to your recent inquiry concerning our regulatory position on the use of plastic pipe for compressed air systems, I trust this letter will clear up any confusion over the issue.
It is our position that PVC pipe shall not be used as a means of transporting compressed air. This position follows the manufacturer's own statements that PVC is unsuitable for compressed air systems. We do allow the use of certain ABS materials that are specifically designed for compressed air systems. One such product is "Duraplus" air line piping system ABS pipe. However, as in any such system, the manufacturer's specifications on acceptable pressure and temperature considerations must be followed.
In closing, misapplication of a product, such as using PVC for compressed air systems, may result in citations and penalties being issued dependent upon the specific conditions.
I appreciate your concern and inquiry into this potential safety hazard.
In response to your recent inquiry concerning our regulatory position on the use of plastic pipe for compressed air systems, I trust this letter will clear up any confusion over the issue.
It is our position that PVC pipe shall not be used as a means of transporting compressed air. This position follows the manufacturer's own statements that PVC is unsuitable for compressed air systems. We do allow the use of certain ABS materials that are specifically designed for compressed air systems. One such product is "Duraplus" air line piping system ABS pipe. However, as in any such system, the manufacturer's specifications on acceptable pressure and temperature considerations must be followed.
In closing, misapplication of a product, such as using PVC for compressed air systems, may result in citations and penalties being issued dependent upon the specific conditions.
I appreciate your concern and inquiry into this potential safety hazard.
It has recently come to my attention that there is a severe safety regarding the improper usage of plastic polyvinyl chloride (PVC) pipe. This pipe is designed for the transmittal of liquids, and is dangerous when used for transmitting compressed air or gas. Unfortunately, PVC has been frequently used with compressed air in construction projects across the country.
The state of Washington has notified the public that PVC pipe is not to be used in compressed air systems. I have also learned that the state of Nevada is in the process of making a similar determination and announcement. Additionally manufacturers of this product advise against its use with compressed air in their catalog publications.
I believe that it is in the best interests of the citizens of our state if your office would expeditiously make such an announcement. A notice to users of the hazards of PVC pipe - when used improperly - would have the effect of preventing possible severe injury to people who work with or near this product.
By way of this letter, I am contacting the Department of Labor, OSHA, in Washington, D.C. and asking their officials to report to me on actions taken on the Federal level to restrict the use of this pipe and to notify users of the potential hazards involved in improper use of PVC pipe.
Your timely consideration of this request is appreciated.
The state of Washington has notified the public that PVC pipe is not to be used in compressed air systems. I have also learned that the state of Nevada is in the process of making a similar determination and announcement. Additionally manufacturers of this product advise against its use with compressed air in their catalog publications.
I believe that it is in the best interests of the citizens of our state if your office would expeditiously make such an announcement. A notice to users of the hazards of PVC pipe - when used improperly - would have the effect of preventing possible severe injury to people who work with or near this product.
By way of this letter, I am contacting the Department of Labor, OSHA, in Washington, D.C. and asking their officials to report to me on actions taken on the Federal level to restrict the use of this pipe and to notify users of the potential hazards involved in improper use of PVC pipe.
Your timely consideration of this request is appreciated.
Sorry, but using PVC pipe for an air delivery system is unsafe and extremely dangerous. Yes, there will be scads of people with the "I've seen it used a zillion times and nothing happened". I knew a guy who used to shake his head at safety regulations for wearing protective eye wear around automotive batteries, that is, until that one day when a battery exploded in his face. Had it not been for the eye protection he'd have been blinded.
All it needs is a short hose from the compressor to the manifold, if it doesn't already have one. We run pvc every time on all our jobs ( a couple to each floor) So people don't have to be running hose all over the place. We reuse 95% of it on the next job. Some of it is over 10 years old. Never had a problem. (except when people drop lumber on it). Btw, the glue joint (if done correctly) is as strong or stronger than the pipe itself. Other wise, what would be the point in rating the pipe to begin with.
All it needs is a short hose from the compressor to the manifold, if it doesn't already have one. We run pvc every time on all our jobs ( a couple to each floor) So people don't have to be running hose all over the place. We reuse 95% of it on the next job. Some of it is over 10 years old. Never had a problem. (except when people drop lumber on it). Btw, the glue joint (if done correctly) is as strong or stronger than the pipe itself. Other wise, what would be the point in rating the pipe to begin with.
Read the info I posted above and also what the PVC manufacturers post that the product should be used for, which is LIQUID DELIVERY ONLY.
Anyone of you running PVC for compressed air lines needs to post this picture in the workspace.
i think i remember seeing something on TRUCKS about plastic air. i don't remember what the stuff was called but remember what it looked like. it looked kind of like this. i was trying to find out because i would like to installing solid airline in my basement and one outside so that i don't have to run my airline out the window every time i want to use air tools.
lol. here is a better picture. that garage is sweet. if i had the money i would have a nice looking garage like this. lately i have been looking at vehicle hoists even though i cant afford one.
I'm not disagreeing with any of this, but, some how I don't think we are talking about a measly 120lbs of pressure. On the other hand, I can see the pressure switch and or relief valve failing and the compressor stay running which will indeed cause big problems. Which I suspect is what happened to bring the issue of the pipe itself into question.
That, and if something hits it, which is very possible in a garage. Some quick searching yielded some interesting hits:
http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/arc.../t-119880.html
OSHA clearly does not recommend using PVC for compressed gasses.
Sorry, but using PVC pipe for an air delivery system is unsafe and extremely dangerous. Yes, there will be scads of people with the "I've seen it used a zillion times and nothing happened". I knew a guy who used to shake his head at safety regulations for wearing protective eye wear around automotive batteries, that is, until that one day when a battery exploded in his face. Had it not been for the eye protection he'd have been blinded.
http://www.thumpertalk.com/forum/arc.../t-119880.html
OSHA clearly does not recommend using PVC for compressed gasses.
Sorry, but using PVC pipe for an air delivery system is unsafe and extremely dangerous. Yes, there will be scads of people with the "I've seen it used a zillion times and nothing happened". I knew a guy who used to shake his head at safety regulations for wearing protective eye wear around automotive batteries, that is, until that one day when a battery exploded in his face. Had it not been for the eye protection he'd have been blinded.
I'm not disagreeing with any of this, but, some how I don't think we are talking about a measly 120lbs of pressure. On the other hand, I can see the pressure switch and or relief valve failing and the compressor stay running which will indeed cause big problems. Which I suspect is what happened to bring the issue of the pipe itself into question.
PVC fractures and splinters when it breaks and is NOT recommended for use in gas delivery. The chances of a relief valve failing are very, very low.
For those interested in "that blue pipe", Eastwood sells it;
http://www.eastwood.com/100-ft-rapid...arage-kit.html
Overall, I don't see the problem with dragging air hose around. I'd rather play it safe and plumb everything with black pipe. It's not too difficult to plumb a trunkline with various service branches.
I agree, check valve failure is low. But if it fails open, alot of morons that are in the construction industry will just get a plug for a quick fix and move on and forget it. And don't get me wrong, I'm not defending the use of something that is potentially unsafe. But stupidity is most likely what brought it on to begin with. Kind of like the hot coffee in the lap deal.
PVC fractures and splinters when it breaks and is NOT recommended for use in gas delivery. The chances of a relief valve failing are very, very low.
For those interested in "that blue pipe", Eastwood sells it;
http://www.eastwood.com/100-ft-rapid...arage-kit.html
Overall, I don't see the problem with dragging air hose around. I'd rather play it safe and plumb everything with black pipe. It's not too difficult to plumb a trunkline with various service branches.
For those interested in "that blue pipe", Eastwood sells it;
http://www.eastwood.com/100-ft-rapid...arage-kit.html
Overall, I don't see the problem with dragging air hose around. I'd rather play it safe and plumb everything with black pipe. It's not too difficult to plumb a trunkline with various service branches.











