show me your turbo "Gasoline only" 360cc v-8
I've seen that vid before.They ended up grenading the motor.
hats not really true. You have to spool the turbo and since our engines run in the low rpm range the turbo dosn't get a chance to spool. You end up haveing huge turbo lag. Super charger is on all of the time that way you get the benifts all of the time.
SilverRam_01
Date 2/22/2008 1:14:24 PM
+1
That's why you can't go to Summit and buy one. How do you tune something like that on a stock pcm flash. Obviously a fuel pressure regulator and a screwdriver didn't work.
hats not really true. You have to spool the turbo and since our engines run in the low rpm range the turbo dosn't get a chance to spool. You end up haveing huge turbo lag. Super charger is on all of the time that way you get the benifts all of the time.
SilverRam_01
Date 2/22/2008 1:14:24 PM
That's why you can't go to Summit and buy one. How do you tune something like that on a stock pcm flash. Obviously a fuel pressure regulator and a screwdriver didn't work.
There is a place called RCC Turbos in Canada that has turbocharged a Dakota before. They specialize in motorcycle turbo kits but they will do a turbo kit for any vehicle you want. The owners name is Richard and he is a real cool guy. He will be able to help answer any question you have for turbocharging.
Go here for info on a turbo'd Dakota. (smaller sized pics, just click & they enlarge)
http://www.theturboforums.com/smf/in...?topic=80720.0
Go here for other options not necessarily Ram's:
http://www.theturboforums.com/smf/in...c=100276.0;all
Iceman_CH, as far as turbo lag, not true. Some spool at 1500 RPM & run until the engine splits in two. Centrifigal Superchargers use horsepower to turn them. Turbo's don't.
If Turbo's weren't the cat's azz, why would there be such a market for turbo's on gas engines. Look at Banks, Grand National Buicks, TurboCoupe T-birds.
You need to read some before you start spouting myths about turbo's, lag & other half truths.
Some guys are running stock computers with a fuel management computer. Turbo lag can be tuned out, get good mileage & produce tremendous amounts of power. Follow the links, do some reading, I have been for a while now. Seriously thinking about a single turbo on my Ram.
Oh yeah, for those of you that think you need a Bill Gates bankroll...........check out this $100.00 junkyard build up. Ran 8 second quarter before it came out. Stock motor, no head change, over 100k on the engine.......................
http://www.theturboforums.com/smf/in...?topic=61219.0
http://www.theturboforums.com/smf/in...?topic=80720.0
Go here for other options not necessarily Ram's:
http://www.theturboforums.com/smf/in...c=100276.0;all
Iceman_CH, as far as turbo lag, not true. Some spool at 1500 RPM & run until the engine splits in two. Centrifigal Superchargers use horsepower to turn them. Turbo's don't.
If Turbo's weren't the cat's azz, why would there be such a market for turbo's on gas engines. Look at Banks, Grand National Buicks, TurboCoupe T-birds.
You need to read some before you start spouting myths about turbo's, lag & other half truths.
Some guys are running stock computers with a fuel management computer. Turbo lag can be tuned out, get good mileage & produce tremendous amounts of power. Follow the links, do some reading, I have been for a while now. Seriously thinking about a single turbo on my Ram.
Oh yeah, for those of you that think you need a Bill Gates bankroll...........check out this $100.00 junkyard build up. Ran 8 second quarter before it came out. Stock motor, no head change, over 100k on the engine.......................
http://www.theturboforums.com/smf/in...?topic=61219.0
ORIGINAL: Cereal Killer
+1
Somebody always thinks they know better cause the fast and the furious had it...
ORIGINAL: ICEMAN_CH
Thats not really true. You have to spool the turbo and since our engines run in the low rpm range the turbo dosn't get a chance to spool. You end up haveing huge turbo lag. Super charger is on all of the time that way you get the benifts all of the time.
ORIGINAL: dusty_duster
That doesn't make any sense at all. A turbocharger is more efficient because it uses exhaust energy that is usually wasted.
ORIGINAL: Cereal Killer
I'd rather have a supercharger anyways since it runs off the crank and not the exhaust.
I'd rather have a supercharger anyways since it runs off the crank and not the exhaust.
Somebody always thinks they know better cause the fast and the furious had it...
Well, turbos are more efficient, and they don;t produce boost off idle like SCs do. THere are pos and negs of each. Here is why turbos are used from the factory:
1. More efficient
2. Vehicle companies have engineers and master technicians to make the turbos work.
Here's why consumres to aftermarket SC kits:
1. Easier than doing a turbo setup.
2. Does not require as much custom work besides brackets. Turbos need custom exhause systems.
Some very popular SCs from the factor. Lighting and Shelby cobra.
1. More efficient
2. Vehicle companies have engineers and master technicians to make the turbos work.
Here's why consumres to aftermarket SC kits:
1. Easier than doing a turbo setup.
2. Does not require as much custom work besides brackets. Turbos need custom exhause systems.
Some very popular SCs from the factor. Lighting and Shelby cobra.
I'm not saying that you can't run a turbo. What I am saying is that unless your loaded and you put alot of work into your engine so that it can handle the pressure and rev high ther's no need to run a turbo. First a turbo isn't more efficent it creates alot of backpressure wich takes power away from the engine. Until that turbo spools you will have lost a ton of power. Second it's going to cost a lot of money just to get the turbo into the truck. Third a turbo is really good for high psi. I think that you could attempt 4-5 before you have to rework the top end. 4-5 PSI is not high PSI, A SC is just plain and simple more cost effective and you'll get the same resylts. Now of you had a little 4 banger that was made to run high RPM and could handle the high boost then yea a TC would be the logical choice. Your truck isn't a 4 banger
I have to dissagree totaly with you man, lol i have built quite a few turbo cars, and the aalst one i built was my 99 mazda protege 1.6 litre, it was so efficent it spooled at idle.
You will get lag if
1. you're turbo is too big
2.you're intercooler pipiing is too big
3.if the intercooling piping isnt efficent, such as longer then needed piping.
and so on.
But if you spec a turbo and piping thats perfect for the application, it will be every bit as efficent as a supercharger in the low end. also its not that expensive to piece together a turbo setup from scratch, if you take your time and shop for the deals, i pieced the kit for my protege together for alittle over 1k dollars, and thats everything, guages,turbo,intercooler,intercooler piping,fuel pump,fmu unit,blah blah bla.
In fact in my car the turbo pulled so hard down low it would burn 1-3 and chirp 4th gear, also the power dropped off past 5k rpms, so i
didnt have to rev it to 7k to make all the power.
You will get lag if
1. you're turbo is too big
2.you're intercooler pipiing is too big
3.if the intercooling piping isnt efficent, such as longer then needed piping.
and so on.
But if you spec a turbo and piping thats perfect for the application, it will be every bit as efficent as a supercharger in the low end. also its not that expensive to piece together a turbo setup from scratch, if you take your time and shop for the deals, i pieced the kit for my protege together for alittle over 1k dollars, and thats everything, guages,turbo,intercooler,intercooler piping,fuel pump,fmu unit,blah blah bla.
In fact in my car the turbo pulled so hard down low it would burn 1-3 and chirp 4th gear, also the power dropped off past 5k rpms, so i
didnt have to rev it to 7k to make all the power.
Agreed GoldPro. Don't need high RPM to build boost either. You need exhaust pressure/heat to build boost.
Think about this for a second............
Your driving down the road at 65-70, not much load on the engine........... very low boost to none at all & all vacuum. Gotta step on the loud pedal to get around a vehicle, load on the engine quickly builds, boost is right there, you fly around the other vehicle. Let off the pedal, boost goes away, back on better fuel economy range.
Superchargers suck power all the time, because they require a crankshaft to turn it. Turbo's only work hard when needed.They work due to load on the engine, not RPM. Light throttle, you usually have vacuum on the engine. With a s/c, you have boost according to the RPM.
Turbo's are much more efficient than s/c's.
Think about this for a second............
Your driving down the road at 65-70, not much load on the engine........... very low boost to none at all & all vacuum. Gotta step on the loud pedal to get around a vehicle, load on the engine quickly builds, boost is right there, you fly around the other vehicle. Let off the pedal, boost goes away, back on better fuel economy range.
Superchargers suck power all the time, because they require a crankshaft to turn it. Turbo's only work hard when needed.They work due to load on the engine, not RPM. Light throttle, you usually have vacuum on the engine. With a s/c, you have boost according to the RPM.
Turbo's are much more efficient than s/c's.




