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Old May 12, 2009 | 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by pdavis53
Remember if you ask the Vendor(whoever you are trying to buy something from) they are going to tell you what you want to hear. There going to give you all of these numbers and make it sound great. Statistics can be made to say whatever they want them to say. That is what my Statistics teacher taught me. Keep in mind that they have there best interest in mind and not yours. They just want your money.
You are absolutely correct on this. That is done with almost every single part you can buy for a car or truck.


Do a little research and I would suggest a regular cat with a good cat back system. I cannot tell you which exhaust to buy because everyone has there preference.
I cannot tell him what to purchase either, however, what you said about "back pressure" is incorrect. These engines do not need "back pressure" to run, no gasoline engine really does. What is commonly misconstrued as "back pressure" is actually air density. If you make your exhaust to high flowing, to big of pipe for example, the air will begin to cool before it exits the pipe, making it denser. This means the engine will have to push that denser (heavier) air out of the exhaust pipes, which is bad.

The Magnaflow high-flow converters, for example, are an excellent upgrade from your "standard" converter, and cheaper as well. They do not give you to much "high flow" as long as you have the appropriate pipe for your engine. For our V8s, 5.2L and 5.9L, a 3 to 3.5" single pipe or 2.25 to 2.5" dual pipes is about perfect. Any smaller, you're constricting it, any larger, you're going to have to much.

This, of course, is based on the assumption that you have a mostly stock engine or only bolt on upgrades. If you go all out with a supercharger, stroker kit, or etc. etc., you may need larger pipes, I am not sure.

Do the research and you will be happy with whatever you buy and remember you get what you pay for.
I mostly agree with this statement. However, one thing you don't get what you pay for: throttle body spacer.
 
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Old May 12, 2009 | 04:19 PM
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That is great information about the air density I am never afraid of learning something new. I completly agree with you about the TB spacer 100 dollar paperweight. I stand corrected
 

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Old May 12, 2009 | 04:31 PM
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Thank you for posting that Jason. I generally quit reading threads after someone says "hey but these motorz need backpressure or your torque will get pwned!"

I'd really like to know who started that rumor...
 
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Old May 12, 2009 | 05:33 PM
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yeah, on my truck i have a single 3" with no cat and a turbo muffler....does great and will spin the tires without powerbraking.....now if he were to go with straight pipes, then yeah leave the stock cat.... but a turbo will outflow a flowmaster, so he should have no prob
 
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Old May 12, 2009 | 05:43 PM
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i also believe that backpressure and density go hand in hand..... afew weeks ago i was playin around and i took the muffler off and took it for a spin......it was a complete dog......loud, but no ***** whatsoever
 
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Old May 12, 2009 | 06:10 PM
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Another thing that people dont quite get about exhaust, is a properly tuned exhaust will actually create a vacuum at the head sucking the exhaust out of your cylinder. This is why if you put 4in pipe on your truck, you will lose hp. Air density plays into this, and also header header design. This explains why Dakotas Ram runs better with a muffler. The muffler increases the velocity of the exhaust gasses by the diameter being smaller inside the muffler, which creates a vacuum.
 
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Old May 12, 2009 | 07:55 PM
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I found this article and I have to say I have been on the wrong band wagon for quite some time. This is good reading for people who beleive what I used to beleive.

http://www.uucmotorwerks.com/html_pr...torquemyth.htm
 
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Old May 12, 2009 | 08:05 PM
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That was a good read. I stand corrected on back pressure.
 
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Old May 12, 2009 | 09:16 PM
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so i have a question. my system is as follows: longtube headers with 2.5 true duals with an h pipe. with no cat, no muffler. is that a decent setup?
 
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Old May 12, 2009 | 09:31 PM
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I want to put true dual pipes but I dont know what to do. I thought about puting short headers, two high flow cats, an x pipe and two glass pipes 2 1/2 pipe. what do you guys think
 
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