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Old 12-01-2009, 12:12 AM
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The rails are custom made Al specifically manufactured for AN style fittings. They are anodized with a protective epoxy clear coat over them.
 
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where did you purchase your fuel rails and injectors?
 
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Originally Posted by millertime 1321
where did you purchase your fuel rails and injectors?
I had the rails made at a machine shop then we had them sent out for anodizing. I made the mounting system for them as well. The fuel injectors can be found at five o motorsports.
 
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just wondering
i thought this airgap was ready the way it is ,just to bolt in ready to go... why are people having trouble with these

making me double think on getting one ??
 
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Well remember, this manifold does have everything you need to put the intake manifold on to a stock engine. There is no way they can make one product work with stock and aftermarket parts of varying sizes, an example would be the different throttle body sizes. You couldn't have a 50mm TB adapter hooked up to a larger throttle body and have it work without a snag. Does that make sense?
 
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Originally Posted by lastrights
just wondering
i thought this airgap was ready the way it is ,just to bolt in ready to go... why are people having trouble with these

making me double think on getting one ??
It is ready to bolt in. That's not the issue. The issue is when you use / run aftermarket / custom stuff. All my stuff is custom designed and made. I had no issues with the stock OEM parts such as fuel rails fitting.

Don't misunderstand aftermarket and custom installations as being a problem at the intake level. The bolts and everything you need is in the kit (sometimes they forget to pack certain items though). It is ready to go. It's just when your particular about what comes in the kit and, some (like me) upgrade certain parts to suit.
 
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Be sure to study up on creating a good gasket seal. I had written up a procedure someplace around here for creating the gasket seal and what not to use around your intake ports. Found it.


Here's a method that works:

1. Before removing the intake that is on the truck now, use some CRC Freeze off on all 4 of the outside bolts. There's the two front and two rear bolts. The two front bolts are through holes so, they can also be sprayed from underneath as well as on top. If you don't do this- I guarantee that you will snap them off in the heads. Let them soak for hour. The inside ones you can hit as well but, do focus on the two rear and two front bolts as these are always rusted like a SOB. If you snap them, you can later try and use the freeze off after the intake is off. Just spray it on, tap on the bolt a few times and grab it with vice grips to gently wiggle it to loosen it. Then it will come out by hand. If you snap it off in the head- you can grab at it with needle nose pliers after spraying it and once it's loose, it will twist right out.

Also, prepare four dowel pins by simply cutting the heads off of the old ones. Clean them well.

2. Cleaning step: Place lots of paper towels or shop rags into the lifter valley first. Then, place pieces of paper or shop towels into all the ports on the heads. Your now ready to start cleaning.

a. Clean: the old gasket material off with a thin blade putty knife, straight razor etc at the heads and front and rear seal areas.

b. Sand: using sandpaper wrapped around a flat block of wood or, you can also use a sanding spong- about 150 grit, to remove the fine gasket material left behind. This also makes a nice surface for the new gasket sealer to adhere to. Do both rear and front seals as well.

c. Wipe: Using Acetone: soak clean rags- don't use paper towel for it shreds and ends up all over the place. Use non dyed fabric. I prefer to use white material as it shows dirt. Clean until the white material remains white after cleaning- that's when it's clean. Now your ready to prep your gaskets and heads. Note: clean all holes out as well using brake cleaner or acetone on a shop rag and work in the holes to remove any oils.

3. Gasket Sealer Step: Note: use Gasgacinch only. I don't care what anyone else recommends, I have worked with Permatex and RTVs, silicones etc, Indian head, and none work as good as Gasgacinch for intakes. Look around for it. Car Quest carries it. It is THE BEST sealer around and has been for years. Permatex HI Tack doesn't work as good for this application and if someone is trying to sell you on that- don't do it.

a. Apply the sealer to the heads, front seal area, rear seal area and on the intake 100%. Use a shop light to see if you have any holidays- if you missed a spot- it will fail. It must be coated 100% on the entire surface area and it must be applied in one shot to make a perfect seal. Watch out as it does dry fast so, avoid overlapping a section that has begun to skin over. Let dry min 10 minutes. The working time is about 3 hours. So, you have plenty of time to work.

b. Apply sealer to your end seals- BOTH sides. Make sure it is totally sealed- NOTE: not so heavy that it fills in the mid section that is between the two outside seal lips. Set aside and let dry.

c. Apply sealer to the intake gaskets- Do both sides PRIOR to installing them on the engine. Do this on clean cardboard. Avoid dirt being stuck to them.

d. Apply Permatex Silicone BLACK- RTV to all 4 corners of where your end seals sit and around the water ports only. DO NOT use around INTAKE OR EXHAUST ports. This should be about a 1/4 for front and rear seals and only 1/8 around the water ports. If using 1/4 around water ports, remember to apply it back away from the edges about half that amount to avoid excess squeeze out into the port area. If that happens, wipe immediately. Apply around water ports on the intake as well.

e. Place your intake gaskets on the heads and seat into the RTV. Try not to disturb the RTV too much. You have about five minutes time to do both sides before it begins to skin. OEM recommends 3 minutes to assy but, that's not happening with one person. The main thing is to have the gaskets sitting IN the RTV. Oil will leak behind the gasket if the RTV is not applied first. The gasket must be seated into the RTV in order to seal behind it.

f. Place your end seals on now. Set them in place. They align using tabs. Drop them straight down and firmly press down to seat them into the sealer.

g. Now that your intake gaskets are in place- use a CLEAN socket to firmly roll out the air from behind them. Do not squeegee it for it will tear the sealer.

h. Apply more Permatex silicone black (about an 1/8" bead) over the 4 corners where graphite intake gaskets meet end seals. Same spot that you applied to minutes earlier- just apply more over the entire junction there.

i. Thread in the 4 dowel pins that you made earlier into the number 5 and 6 holes and number 11 and 12 in the front I believe. Two up from the rear holes. If you use the rear holes, this particular intake will not slide under the distributor.

j. Angle the rear side down and under the distributor while aligning with the rear pins first followed by the front two pins. Gently lower straight down and DO NOT MOVE it.

k. Insert your new bolts and torque per OEM recommendations.

Note: I assembled my entire intake on the bench- including fuel rails and injectors. They make nice handles by the way. For all your brass fittings, use Permatex hi temp thread sealant for all your water fittings. Use Indian head shellac under your T-stat. Let it tack up. Do pay attention to installing the T-stat in the proper orientation. Apply Indian Head on both sides of the cork gasket and T-stat housing. Assemble the T-stat into the intake, place the cork over it, then place the hose fitting / housing on and seat fitting so that it seats flush. Torque to OEM spec.

Once that is all done, she's ready to drop in.

Here's my Hughes FI:
Wow! Thats exactly the look and also performance I want! Thats immaculate!
 
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Thanks for the nice comment there.
 
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I went to my buddies shop today and talked to him about his supercharged 5.9 Dakota R/T and we got to talkin about this topic and we both agreed on there is nothing direct bolt on, well it is, but there needs to be some moving around, not much. And he said I can use his shop and his help after hours! With his help I think ill be fine.
 
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Originally Posted by lb79theone
I went to my buddies shop today and talked to him about his supercharged 5.9 Dakota R/T and we got to talkin about this topic and we both agreed on there is nothing direct bolt on, well it is, but there needs to be some moving around, not much. And he said I can use his shop and his help after hours! With his help I think ill be fine.
Now, are you referring to the Hughes FI? Because, there's nothing to move around. All the fittings go in as they should and, the fuel rails also directly bolt on without hassle. Those little, off-set brackets lined up really nice on mine and, I did not have to mod anything to get it to fit with OEM parts. It was drag and drop per say.
 


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