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'01 1500 5.9 will not start when warm

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Old Oct 15, 2011 | 10:48 AM
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No nothing in the tranny. If it's not the cam sensor, it is possible the PCM itself is bad. But, do the cheaper stuff first. Sucks it wasn't the crank sensor.
 
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Old Oct 15, 2011 | 11:12 AM
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Trans won't prevent the engine from starting. (a bad P/N switch will prevent the starter motor from turning though.) Isn't the cam sensor code lumped in with the crank sensor as well?

What are you missing when it won't start? Spark, or injector pulse?
 
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Old Oct 15, 2011 | 11:43 AM
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"Isn't the cam sensor code lumped in with the crank sensor as well?"

I think so. If I have my codes right, it's "P1391 Intermittent Loss of CMP or CKP"

"I am doing the pick up coil next but I don't see how this would prevent it from starting once everything was warmed up".

Electronics are notoriously for acting up under different temperature conditions. My crank sensor was fine during the summer months, and went to crap every fall. A friend's Camry had a cam sensor problem that was totally temperature-related.

"I have read in several places about the camshaft sensor for the truck and I did originally have a camshaft sensor code but no auto part supplier list a camshaft sensor for my truck".

You mentioned replacing the "pickup coil". That is the cam position sensor by another name.

Sorry it wasn't the crank sensor, but in my defense, I have a sneaking suspicion you might have replaced it without testing it first. If you did, I'd be interested in what readings you got. At least now you have a spare.

After you replace the pickup coil/cam sensor/CMP, please let us know if that was it.
 
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Old Oct 16, 2011 | 01:23 PM
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Cam sensor (pick up coil) seems to have fixed it, truck is starting regularily now. : ) I still have a rough idle, going to check that timing is still ok and maybe the charge air and MAP sensors.
 
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Old Oct 16, 2011 | 01:50 PM
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So we add another sensor to list of going bad when it gets hot. Also keep in mind, you can't change the timing. The PCM controls it.
 
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Old Oct 16, 2011 | 01:51 PM
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Originally Posted by cdp1995
Cam sensor (pick up coil) seems to have fixed it, truck is starting regularily now. : ) I still have a rough idle, going to check that timing is still ok and maybe the charge air and MAP sensors.
Good deal, glad it's starting now.

Couple of things:

The timing can't be adjusted; the PCM (computer) does that. That said, I can get my engine to run like crap if I move the distributor, so maybe you can smooth yours out by doing the same. Nothing fancy; mark it before you move it, then see if you can get it to run any better just by ear. If not, put it back to where it started.

Wouldn't hurt to replace the sensors you mentioned. The Dodge ignition system is known to be excellent, but it obviously requires good input from all of the sensors.

Lastly, the "P" word - plenum. If you're not familiar with the "plenum problem", it is now your task to read the "sticky" at the top of every page about the problem with the plenum plate gasket at the bottom of the intake manifold (aka "kegger"). If yours is really bad then your engine won't run right no matter what else you do.

A leaking gasket causes all kinds of problems - driveability, clogged cat, even cracked heads.

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OK, really lastly, make sure your spark plug wires are correctly routed according to this TSB (Technical Service Bulletin):

TSB 18-48-98

http://dodgeram.info/tsb/1998/18-48-98/18-48-98-v8.htm

It says it's for [1994 - 1999 (BR/BE) Ram Truck], but I'm guessing it's not addressed to your year of truck because they started routing them the new way at the factory after '99. In ten tears, someone might have routed them incorrectly; best to check it. See if there are clips on the upper row of valve cover bolts that aren't being used; that's where some of the wires are supposed to go.
 

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Old Oct 16, 2011 | 03:29 PM
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I am also wondering that after changing out a number of sensors if it would be a good idea to rest the PCM and let it relearn everything. Bet it has a bunch of "stufff" stored.
 
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Old Oct 16, 2011 | 03:39 PM
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The negative battery cable should be removed before changing any sensors anyway. By the time you are done doing the work and reconnect it, the PCM will already be reset.
 
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Old Oct 16, 2011 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by zman17
The negative battery cable should be removed before changing any sensors anyway. By the time you are done doing the work and reconnect it, the PCM will already be reset.

I agree. Operative word here is "should." If not, it wprobably wouldn't hurt to do it now I would think.
 
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Old Nov 1, 2012 | 09:44 AM
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I am having the same problem with a 1998 5.9L Laramie. Did you ever figure this one out? How do i find the codes, mine won't start hot but runs perfectly cold and hot until I shut it off, stop for gas etc, then it won't start again. Next day it fires up like a new truck. Very annoying stuff, replaced everything as above, same situation?
 
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