This one time I popped a tire on my bicycle.

 

+1

 

Please do continue I am amused

 

Throttle body spacer huh... that must be some good snickelfritz

 

I popped a balloon once. The volume inside that balloon suddenly went "Poof", don't know where it went after that.

 

you guys are great lmao!

 

A tb spacer does not increase the length of the runners. it doesnt help at all the only way to add on to the runner would be inbetween the head and the intake like a high rise intake. just calm down you are wrong about our trucks it may work on a neon but who cares about a neon we drive rams when our wallet lets us and it just dont work with our trucks.

 

Oh I'm thick headed because I explained my understanding of intake technology? really? I was acting tough too? No I wasn't, I was asking questions and explaining my understanding of what generally applies in some way on every motor ever built that directly question your knowledge and you have to make a big song and dance that heaven forbid somebody question you!. Seriously I'm on the darn forum to learn something & trade information and share thoughts and you should be too!, we're all on this forum to learn something NOW Stop being such a pig headed forum vet who can't hear anyone over how awesome he thinks he is and answer the question with facts and a source that directly correlate to proving me wrong so I can feel happy about losing the argument if it is true what you say about velocity & air flow meaning nothing.

I know for a fact that every little bit you modify an intake tract has an effect in some way shape or form, I wasn't saying you're going to get any specific measurable power gains or even losses, I simply stated that the addition of a Throttle Body spacer will affect response and possibly move your powerband, it will...but you say I'm wrong because you say it isn't measurable enough or big enough to even worry about, I'm not wrong just because it may be a small portion, but What I would like to see are some damn Dyno numbers to compare stock to throttle body spacer if you're going to say it does nothing. I mean when you hear people talking about indexing their spark plugs for 1hp gain, a throttle body spacer has to have some effect on the engine.

I just find it redundant to hear somebody say a tb spacer doesn't work when how many people pay to dyno their truck after installing a tb spacer? probably not anyone, but regardless intakes are probably some of the most complex things to tune on an engine, look back at many of the weird designs mopar has had through the years, the bathtub Hemi Intake,413 & 426 Hemi cross ram intakes & invention of the tunnel ram intake on the first funny car ever The High & Mighty that had a 392 Hemi. I just want to know what some numbers are on this stuff.... facts I can sink my teeth into. I've fabbed my own tb spacers on my Neons I've owned and they DID respond to them in a positive way, though I'll be the first to admit it wasn't a silver bullit for performance but it did feel "better" and the gtech even agreed.

I'm not here to **** in anyones cherios as I am sort of a new member, well new member to the Ram side of things,But I've been in the Neon section for years and chewed the fat there for a while. Look Xavier I'm not here to start a fight I just want some respect for an opinion instead of "you're wrong you're wrong you're wrong" hear me out and give me an answer for the velocity side of things...you can't change one thing in an intake without affecting another thing.

 

I thought post #20 would have summed it up pretty well for you... guess not.

I'm fairly certain I've seen dynos either on this forum or another ram forum showing that TB spacers make, as HeyYou would put it, None. Zero. Nada. Zilch.
Not sure if the dyno was for a ram truck exactly, but nonetheless, there's no gains to be seen.

...and yes you seem like you are acting "tough" whether or not you mean to be.

 

Before you say I'm wrong wheres your dyno sheet to prove a before & after? I'll happily admit when I'm wrong...and yes I was wrong about saying extension of the runners, what I meant is that it increases the distance between the butterflies & the intake valves and that it does even if by an inch its still has got to have some effect. I brought the Neon intake up as an example of a simple plenum design thats easy to visualize when talking about intake manifolds & theory especially in the way it tapers off into each cylinder. Personally & no offense, I'm not going to take yours or anyone elses word for it until I see a dyno sheet or real engineer that proves me wrong that it doesn't affect the power band in however small portion. I said all along it may not give you any power gains and may just shift the power band slightly, you act like I said it would give you 50hp at idle!. A lot of the guys I see with youtube videos doing intake manifold mods on these Rams can barely lift the intake off the engine let alone make me feel confident enough to just trust their opinions on intake manifolding.

In fact a guy who made a gas tank removal how to on neons.org spent 2 hours getting the tank out with 3 helpers! I got mine out in 5 minutes by myself after jacking it up, so I'm not just going to blindly accept this as an answer from people who probably just follow others opinions blindly, not saying anyone here does, but I like to see facts backed up at the very least by some sort of dyno sheet or engineer who mods manifolds for a living.

I'll leave you with this.... A stock Keg manifold wouldn't sit so high if the plenum volume made no difference to anything, the runners have ample room inside for that plenum to be even an inch or two lower.