The answer to knowing if things are junk or not is answered in your second sentence. I don't plan on starting a battle royale on the forum.

For those people who plan on making mods to their vehicles, they should first understand how that mod is going to benefit their application. As to the product that we have been talking about (especially on the ram), how is this going to benefit the vehical? We put a stationary "turbine" inside the intake tube, prior to the air filter. There are two flaws that I see with this product.
1. More restriction = less air flow
2. The "vortex" effect that is claimed to be provided is nullified when the air reaches the (stock) air filter.

I have been working on and tuning my vehicals since before I could drive. I am not an expert my any means, but I understand enough of my vehicals, that I can work on them and do mods to them to make gains.

 

It gets installed after the air filter, not before. As far as air restriction, I really don't see how it decreases air flow. Redirect, yes. Restrict, no. So before this thread gets any uglier...we'll just say this...We bought them, we're sending them back, and for those that would be looking at possibly buying them, DON'T. Learn from our mistake.

(from the wife)...I'm not an idiot when it comes to vehicles. I took auto mechanics in high school, I do my own maintenance and repairs. Like I said in the prior post, we are impusle buyers. It's not very often I get a chance to do research before Mike reaches for the credit card. He was looking to improve performance (however so slightly) in the Ram just because of its "gutless" performance with that stupid 318. So, tell me helmsa, you have the 318...how's it working for you? Besides a blower, how can we get this engine to come alive? Gutted the catalytic converter, and installed a flowmaster to open the exhaust up, but I still can't get over the difference between our 1997 with the 5.9 and the 2001 with the 5.2. Any suggestions?

 

I also have a super stretchy rubber band that will increase horsepower. before you install a bigger exhaust you need to be putting more through the engine, try a M1 intake and a 54mm throttlebody and maybe some 1.7 rockers, that will help you put more in the engine and gain some horsepower.

 

I agree with this. Even though this particular product goes after the air filter, I have seen ones that go BEFORE the intake. Either way, creating turbulence in an intake on a fuel injected vehicle is a useless (and usually power robbing) excercise. The intent of it is to cause better mixing of air and fuel. It's basically doing the same thing as a throttle body spacer. (see the link in signature) But since the fuel in a multi-port injected vehicle is injected directly into the cylinder, all it's doing is creating turbulence in your air flow...which you want to be as smooth and as fast as possible.

If you were installing this on a carburated vehicle (or maybe even a vehicle with TBI), it may yield some results...but on a vehicle with MPFI you will see no gain and often a loss.

And yes, it's true that we wouldn't know if things worked (or how well) unless someone tried them. But there's also an old saying "too good to be true"...and sadly, many things often are

 

I know engine mods will do the trick. I wasn't looking to get into it too much. Thats what the hot rod is for!
I can't get over the fact that I tried these pieces of crap but still haven't invested in a K&N filter. Bought them imediately for the quads.

 

If you have a performance air intake they will fit and work just fine. I gained 2-3 mpg and it seemed to have better throttle response. My dad also has one in his truck and came up with the same resluts. Oh yea, we put these in after having the air intake on, mine for 3 yrs, dads for 6 months.

 

How did you order this part?

This unfortunately is the latest form of a "scam". You order a part over the net and at the bottom of the page mixed into the checkout form or somewhere else on their site it'll say that "all returns will be charged a X restocking fee" It doesn't say wether you're happy or not, it'll say ALL returns. I know a couple of guy's who got taken like this. It really does suck. Good luck with it. Hopefully your credit card company will help you out.

 

even if a vortex or whatever is created, wouldnt the spinning effect stop when the air came down into the intake manifold and then split up the 8 runners? I made the same mistake with the throttle body spacer. but in my defense, i wasnt a member of the dodge forum yet when i bought it.

 

Once the air becomes "turbualnt" it does not just all of a sudden become "stable or still" again once reaching the intake. It stays swirling throughout the intake itself.

 

regardless... it doesnt work.

i took my intake manifold off last week and i cant see how that "swirl" can go down to the plenum and get split up into 8 different directions then get pulled from down at the plenum, all the way up the runners at the top of the manifold and still maintain a swirl or a signifigant turbulance when it reaches the injectors. im sorry, it doesnt seem possible to me.