no but like i said i tested the wires to the pump and theres just no power going to it and the wires i cant find anything they would go to. So i'm lead to believe that whatever is wrong with the fuel pump has somthing to do with why i cant get spark. and i thought about how in the world i was gonna try to run the pump by jumping it but theres what 3 wires there one black and two red im sure one goes to the guage but which oneoh that reminds me the guage does move when you turn the key on

 

When you say it rolls over, if you mean that it cranks but will not start, that doesn't tell you anything about the pcm. When you turn the key to the on position, what is in the mileage window? (if a 95 has an electronic odometer). Try using a couple of jumpers off of the battery to see if you can get the relay to engage. I'm guessing that you can if you just replaced it, but I would try it anyway. Below is a diagram of the relay. Put a + jumper to 86, and a negative to 85. See if the relay clicks . Then, with the key off insert the probes a voltmeter into the holes on the block where relay pins 85 and 86 would go. Have someone turn the key on and see if you get ~2 seconds of a voltage reading. To check the pump and its wiring you can put a jumper from pin 30 to pin 87. If it is real quiet around you should be able to here the pump working. Let me know if the pump comes on or not and If you are getting a voltage spike from the pcm. I can tell you about some other stuff if you need me too.

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The 1995 doesn't have an electronic odometer
but if the key is cycled on and off three times and then the key left on
the check engine light will blink out a sequence that will tell the error codes stored.

 

I just reallized in your first post you say you're not getting any spark either. I think you probably have a harness or pcm issue. The pcm controls the fuel pump and the coil.

 

I tryed everything but the volt meter because i dont have one. i do have a dwell tester that reads volts and did try that but got nothing but i dont know if it works for these types of applications. however the relay clicked and the pump did not turn on by jumping 30 to 87. but did see sparks not really abnormal sparks but they were a little more than i thought they should be

 

Yeah, those are just start up load sparks, not short sparks. Your fuel pump is fine, or at least the motor runs. This means that, either you have a problem in the pcm harness, or that the pcm is not sending voltage to close the relay. I need a schematic or pin out diagram of your pcm to help you any further. Basically, since your not getting the signal to the fuel pump or spark, you need to make sure your pcm has power when the key is turned on. With a pin out diagram of the pcm, you can see which pins to test for this. I'm inclined to say that this is a wiring issue rather than a pcm one. Did the truck sit outside for a long period? The internals of the pcm are pretty well protected. If you take the torx screws out and remove the cover you will see what I mean. It is packed with a non-conducive high r value gel. So, sitting probably did nothing to the pcm. Wiring and terminals are a different story.

 

no the Pump did not run when i jumped it

 

I didn't mention before the fuel pump is easier to hear as the gas level in your tank gets low. I just googled for "pcm connector 1995 dodge ram" and "pcm wiring 1995 dodge ram" (tried also with 95 in place of 1995) and came up with squat. If you are going to keep the truck, a service manual might be a reasonable investment. This will give you the information that you need to troubleshoot further.

 

could the pump not working have anything to do with it not sparking and theres probly nothing in the haynes manual is there. Hank l has a service manual are the pin shematics in that if so maybe he could hook me up with a copy of the pcm pins. allso i found a used pcm at a yard for $60 which as i see it is very reasonable.

 

I guess we're posting at the same time. Are you sure the pump wasn't working when you jumped it? It's hard to explain, but if the pump motor is locked up you will get "more than usual sparks". If you put the jumper in and it sparks when you touch the jumper to the terminals, but then the jumper doesn't get hot and no fuses are blown, these are start up load sparks. Any motor ac, dc, fred flinstone powered or otherwise can require up to 600% of its running load just to get started.