HELP - Adding new Remote Central Locking Keys to 2005 Dodge Dakota ?
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Hi Rengnath
My truck does have the factory alarm system fitted.
The grey (Sentry?) key that does not open the door but starts the truck, has a completely different key key cut pattern that looks nothing like the (one and only) RKE remote key fob I have. The "emergency" door key I have, that will not start the truck, but will open the drivers door, has the identical key cut pattern as the RKE remote key fob.
The "Sentry" key obviously must a transponder within it and must use some sort of "master" or "skeleton" key cut pattern.
Interesting stuff about programming your truck, I'm just really, really worried about screwing up my one and only working fob.
Ray
My truck does have the factory alarm system fitted.
The grey (Sentry?) key that does not open the door but starts the truck, has a completely different key key cut pattern that looks nothing like the (one and only) RKE remote key fob I have. The "emergency" door key I have, that will not start the truck, but will open the drivers door, has the identical key cut pattern as the RKE remote key fob.
The "Sentry" key obviously must a transponder within it and must use some sort of "master" or "skeleton" key cut pattern.
Interesting stuff about programming your truck, I'm just really, really worried about screwing up my one and only working fob.
Ray
Does your truck have the factory alarm system?
If it does, youll have to research what type of key you need. I know my Dakota doesnt have a transponder in the key, but I dont have a factory alarm.
I just dont understand how the key that fits the ignition and will start the truck wont open your door. On a truck that requires a key with a transponder, the key should open the door and fit the ignition. If the key doesnt have the proper code, the truck will not run.
Regardless, you should have no problems getting the remote to work on your truck. The key will not work to start the truck though. I messed with programming my keys once where I actually cleared all the keys the truck had programmed except for the main key. You put the key in the igniton, press and hold the lock and unlock button, and they you have about a minute to push and hold the lock and unlock button on every remote you want programmed. You only need one key to get in to the programming mode, not two.
The truck will be able to memorize any key, regardless of how many times the key has been programmed before. The truck learns the keys, the keys do not learn the trucks. Therefore, any key can be programmed to any truck (as long as its a compatible key fob)
If it does, youll have to research what type of key you need. I know my Dakota doesnt have a transponder in the key, but I dont have a factory alarm.
I just dont understand how the key that fits the ignition and will start the truck wont open your door. On a truck that requires a key with a transponder, the key should open the door and fit the ignition. If the key doesnt have the proper code, the truck will not run.
Regardless, you should have no problems getting the remote to work on your truck. The key will not work to start the truck though. I messed with programming my keys once where I actually cleared all the keys the truck had programmed except for the main key. You put the key in the igniton, press and hold the lock and unlock button, and they you have about a minute to push and hold the lock and unlock button on every remote you want programmed. You only need one key to get in to the programming mode, not two.
The truck will be able to memorize any key, regardless of how many times the key has been programmed before. The truck learns the keys, the keys do not learn the trucks. Therefore, any key can be programmed to any truck (as long as its a compatible key fob)
Last edited by rayhertford; Sep 29, 2010 at 02:45 AM.
I just talked with my local dealership, and they said they will reprogram my key Fob's for FREE!. The batteries died like 2 years ago, and I still cant get them to work. I know you are in England. But maybe call the closest dealership and talk with them. Maybe you will find you need to make a trip there to get it done.
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Yeah, I understand your concern. Your situation sure is screwy with all the keys you have. My truck doesnt have the factory alarm so I cant speak from experience here. I work at a hardware store and one day I wanted a copy of my key, so I first tested it and it came back as no transponder found, and the copy I made works in the door and ignition. I find it wierd that your sentry key wont work in the door, but the Key fob that has a different cut will work in the door and the ignition.
You really should have no problems when you get your new key fob. Just be sure to read the directions carefully. Let me know if you need the owners manual install instructions. Did you order a key fob with a blank key in it?
You really should have no problems when you get your new key fob. Just be sure to read the directions carefully. Let me know if you need the owners manual install instructions. Did you order a key fob with a blank key in it?
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Hi rengnath
"Let me know if you need the owners manual install instructions. Did you order a key fob with a blank key in it?"
No, I bought a used second hand key. I know I can by a new shell and blade for about $10 but what's most important to me is the remote control fob, alarm/disarm function, if I can get that to work with the seconhand key, I can then just get a new shell and blade cut to match my existing one.
BTW, do you have those instructions? Could you let me have a copy?
Thanks
Ray
"Let me know if you need the owners manual install instructions. Did you order a key fob with a blank key in it?"
No, I bought a used second hand key. I know I can by a new shell and blade for about $10 but what's most important to me is the remote control fob, alarm/disarm function, if I can get that to work with the seconhand key, I can then just get a new shell and blade cut to match my existing one.
BTW, do you have those instructions? Could you let me have a copy?
Thanks
Ray
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Bad news .... that sentry key is going to be a problem. You will need 2 keys. Since I just have the key fob, all I need is one. I dug this up in the service manual. It also appears you wont be able to use the actual transponder out of the key you bought, per the last paragraph. Here you go:
Method
valid key for use on any other vehicle.
CUSTOMER LEARN METHOD
The Customer Learn feature is only available on domestic vehicles, or those vehicles which have a U.S. country
code designator. This programming method also requires access to at least two valid Sentry Keys. If two valid Sentry
Keys are not available, or if the vehicle does not have a U.S. country code designator, the Secured Access
The Customer Learn feature is only available on domestic vehicles, or those vehicles which have a U.S. country
code designator. This programming method also requires access to at least two valid Sentry Keys. If two valid Sentry
Keys are not available, or if the vehicle does not have a U.S. country code designator, the Secured Access
Method
must be used to program new or additional valid keys to the SKREEM. The Customer Learn programming
method procedures are as follows:
1. Obtain the blank Sentry Key(s) that are to be programmed as valid keys for the vehicle. Cut the blank key(s) to
match the ignition switch lock cylinder mechanical key codes.
2. Insert one of the two valid Sentry Keys into the ignition switch and turn the ignition switch to the On position.
3. After the ignition switch has been in the On position for longer than three seconds, but no more than fifteen
seconds, cycle the ignition switch back to the Off position. Replace the first valid Sentry Key in the ignition switch
lock cylinder with the second valid Sentry Key and turn the ignition switch back to the On position. The second
valid Sentry Key must be inserted in the lock cylinder within fifteen seconds of removing the first valid key.
4. About ten seconds after the completion of Step 3, the security indicator in the instrument cluster will start to flash
to indicate that the system has entered the Customer Learn programming mode.
5. Within sixty seconds of entering the Customer Learn programming mode, turn the ignition switch to the Off position,
replace the valid Sentry Key with a blank Sentry Key transponder, and turn the ignition switch back to the
On position.
6. About ten seconds after the completion of Step 5, the security indicator will stop flashing, stay on solid for three
seconds, then turn off to indicate that the blank Sentry Key has been successfully programmed. The SKIS will
immediately exit the Customer Learn programming mode. After the ignition is cycled the vehicle may be started
using the newly programmed valid Sentry Key.
1. Obtain the blank Sentry Key(s) that are to be programmed as valid keys for the vehicle. Cut the blank key(s) to
match the ignition switch lock cylinder mechanical key codes.
2. Insert one of the two valid Sentry Keys into the ignition switch and turn the ignition switch to the On position.
3. After the ignition switch has been in the On position for longer than three seconds, but no more than fifteen
seconds, cycle the ignition switch back to the Off position. Replace the first valid Sentry Key in the ignition switch
lock cylinder with the second valid Sentry Key and turn the ignition switch back to the On position. The second
valid Sentry Key must be inserted in the lock cylinder within fifteen seconds of removing the first valid key.
4. About ten seconds after the completion of Step 3, the security indicator in the instrument cluster will start to flash
to indicate that the system has entered the Customer Learn programming mode.
5. Within sixty seconds of entering the Customer Learn programming mode, turn the ignition switch to the Off position,
replace the valid Sentry Key with a blank Sentry Key transponder, and turn the ignition switch back to the
On position.
6. About ten seconds after the completion of Step 5, the security indicator will stop flashing, stay on solid for three
seconds, then turn off to indicate that the blank Sentry Key has been successfully programmed. The SKIS will
immediately exit the Customer Learn programming mode. After the ignition is cycled the vehicle may be started
using the newly programmed valid Sentry Key.
ND
VEHICLE THEFT SECURITY - SERVICE INFORMATION 8Q - 7
Each of these steps must be repeated and completed in their entirety for each additional Sentry Key that is to be
programmed. If the above steps are not completed in the given sequence, or within the allotted time, the SKREEM
will exit the Customer Learn programming mode and the programming will be unsuccessful. The SKREEM will also
automatically exit the Customer Learn programming mode if it sees a non-blank Sentry Key transponder when it
should see a blank, if it has already programmed eight (8) valid Sentry Keys, or if the ignition switch is turned to the
Off position for more than about fifty seconds.
NOTE: If an attempt is made to start the vehicle while in the Customer Learn mode (security indicator flashing),
the SKIS will respond as though the vehicle were being started with an invalid key. In other words, the
engine will stall after about two seconds of operation. No faults will be set.
NOTE: Once a Sentry Key has been programmed as a valid key to a vehicle, it cannot be programmed as a
programmed. If the above steps are not completed in the given sequence, or within the allotted time, the SKREEM
will exit the Customer Learn programming mode and the programming will be unsuccessful. The SKREEM will also
automatically exit the Customer Learn programming mode if it sees a non-blank Sentry Key transponder when it
should see a blank, if it has already programmed eight (8) valid Sentry Keys, or if the ignition switch is turned to the
Off position for more than about fifty seconds.
NOTE: If an attempt is made to start the vehicle while in the Customer Learn mode (security indicator flashing),
the SKIS will respond as though the vehicle were being started with an invalid key. In other words, the
engine will stall after about two seconds of operation. No faults will be set.
NOTE: Once a Sentry Key has been programmed as a valid key to a vehicle, it cannot be programmed as a
valid key for use on any other vehicle.
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Hi Rengnath
Thanks for this, funnily enough I had a similar response back from Dodge (USA), also confirming my worst fear!!
Looks like I'll have to buy a blank "new" sentry key and hope that someone over here has the relevant scantool and programming equipment.
I've also heard that for a key to be added (by a dealer), they will require the PIN code for the Truck, and I don't know the PIN.
Dodge USA, tell me they can't inform me what the PIN code is via the web, and that I should take it to a dealer, along with proof of ownership, and they will inform me what the PIN is.
However, I have a question, how am I going to get my truck onto a Boeing 747 as luggage?
Ray
Thanks for this, funnily enough I had a similar response back from Dodge (USA), also confirming my worst fear!!
Looks like I'll have to buy a blank "new" sentry key and hope that someone over here has the relevant scantool and programming equipment.
I've also heard that for a key to be added (by a dealer), they will require the PIN code for the Truck, and I don't know the PIN.
Dodge USA, tell me they can't inform me what the PIN code is via the web, and that I should take it to a dealer, along with proof of ownership, and they will inform me what the PIN is.
However, I have a question, how am I going to get my truck onto a Boeing 747 as luggage?
Ray
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You may be able to try a local Mercedes dealer as they are owned by Damlier.
Sorry again for telling you all along that you should have no problems. It shouldnt be this hard to program a key.
PS- You may need a bigger plane.
Sorry again for telling you all along that you should have no problems. It shouldnt be this hard to program a key.
PS- You may need a bigger plane.