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Fishbite issue with 2011 Durango Citadel is still around. Dodge has no concept of customer service. After being told the software upate would be available in December then February, I was just told it has been pushed to April. They have known about the problem on these vehicles since 2011. I have put 12,000 miles on this truck since the problem started. The tug sensation is now constant. Really is hard making the monthly payment waiting on Dodge to release the update.
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Im pretty sure Poppys Chicken&Biscuits sells fish bites too...
FYI, I found a way to get rid of the "tug sensation" you speak of.
Push the Accelerator to the floor, goes right away!
FYI, I found a way to get rid of the "tug sensation" you speak of.
Push the Accelerator to the floor, goes right away!
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My "fishbite" only occurs after a full stop at a red light... and if I have to accelerate just a little to move forward with slow traffic. Sometimes it catches me off guard and I start to think the person behind me just bumper kissed me.
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Never heard of this problem before. Since no symptoms given I googled it. Guy on a Cadillac site had the problem which is described as a misfire. Dealer told him he couldn't help till it threw a code. It did. Seems it was coil on plug issue which was intermittent. Changed it out and misfire went away. Interetsed to know what your symptoms are....
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Never heard of this problem before. Since no symptoms given I googled it. Guy on a Cadillac site had the problem which is described as a misfire. Dealer told him he couldn't help till it threw a code. It did. Seems it was coil on plug issue which was intermittent. Changed it out and misfire went away. Interetsed to know what your symptoms are....
So, it has been quite some time since I posted on this forum with further updates on the issue under consideration. I do apologize for that; it has been crazy over here.
We have now abandoned our local CDJ dealership in favor of one about 45 minutes away which also happens to be where we bought this Durango from. So far they seem to be an incredibly professional operation.
With just a few minutes' searching, they managed to find a bulletin regarding the Durango. It comes up if they search through their notices, TSB's, etc., under the term "fishbite", and it precisely describes the problem that I experienced with my vehicle. I never would have thought to look under that particular term, but they did. According to the notice, Chrysler is aware of the problem on some (but not all) Durangos, and is working to fix the software, shooting for an update in December of this year. This is the bulletin verbatim (including original capitalization variances):
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STAR Case
Case Number: S1118000038
Release Date: 5/11/2011
Symptom/Vehicle Issue:
Surge Or FishBite (Tug-Pull Sensation) Sometimes Felt On Smooth Roads Between 40-80 MPH Accelerating
Discussion:
Some customers may voice a concern that there is a Surge or Tugging (tug) or even a Fishbitelike condition that they are experiencing. These customers typically complain under specific conditions (Transmission in 4th or 5th gear with the torque converter locked, vehicle accelerating with the throttle position 30% or greater, and vehicle speed between 40 and 80 MPH.
New PCM Software is in development as is tentatively timed to be available by December 2012.
Recommend that these Customers use 89 Octane as their fuel. This condition is significantly reduced with 89 octane fuel.
The Owner Manual does recommend 89 Octane fuel for best performance.
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Now, one major thing I disagree with on this bulletin is that - at least in our case - this "condition is significantly reduced with 89 octane fuel". Rubbish. We have been using 89 octane fuel since day one, and the problem is very pronounced. A friend of ours who bought the identical vehicle after he saw ours uses 87 octane all the time, and has never had a "fishbite" sensation. So I suspect that if your particular Durango is predisposed to the condition, changing fuel grades on its own will have little effect. However, that is merely my opinion; it isn't like I would ever use 87 octane fuel at any rate, whether the fishbite goes away or not.
The new dealer reset our adaptives first thing on our first visit. The vehicle felt like it did when it rolled off the lot on day one. It was like an entirely different car: more powerful, different response from gas pedal, increased highway mileage, and less of the 'fishbiting'. We were stunned. However, within four days of normal use, the vehicle's old tricks began to reassert themselves; it became apparent that something is throwing the adaptives out of whack, not that there is some significant flaw with the engine.
The new dealer we are working with is not going to wait for the update from Chrysler. They are going to have one of their top technical diagnosers take the car (next week, I believe), and start from scratch as if they have never heard of the problem, to see if they can get to the bottom of it on their own. They say that this guy is really good, and some of his work has been turned into TSB updates, so I have high hopes.
Other than a few little quirks, this vehicle is rock-solid and bulletproof. If we could only get these few bugs ironed out by a competent dealer, then I'll keep it until the day it falls apart. But if it isn't fixable, then I will strongly consider moving on to another car.
I hope that this update is helpful, and I will come back and post whatever new information we receive from this new service department as quickly as I get it. Take care, everyone!
Best wishes,
Kent
We have now abandoned our local CDJ dealership in favor of one about 45 minutes away which also happens to be where we bought this Durango from. So far they seem to be an incredibly professional operation.
With just a few minutes' searching, they managed to find a bulletin regarding the Durango. It comes up if they search through their notices, TSB's, etc., under the term "fishbite", and it precisely describes the problem that I experienced with my vehicle. I never would have thought to look under that particular term, but they did. According to the notice, Chrysler is aware of the problem on some (but not all) Durangos, and is working to fix the software, shooting for an update in December of this year. This is the bulletin verbatim (including original capitalization variances):
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STAR Case
Case Number: S1118000038
Release Date: 5/11/2011
Symptom/Vehicle Issue:
Surge Or FishBite (Tug-Pull Sensation) Sometimes Felt On Smooth Roads Between 40-80 MPH Accelerating
Discussion:
Some customers may voice a concern that there is a Surge or Tugging (tug) or even a Fishbitelike condition that they are experiencing. These customers typically complain under specific conditions (Transmission in 4th or 5th gear with the torque converter locked, vehicle accelerating with the throttle position 30% or greater, and vehicle speed between 40 and 80 MPH.
New PCM Software is in development as is tentatively timed to be available by December 2012.
Recommend that these Customers use 89 Octane as their fuel. This condition is significantly reduced with 89 octane fuel.
The Owner Manual does recommend 89 Octane fuel for best performance.
----------------
Now, one major thing I disagree with on this bulletin is that - at least in our case - this "condition is significantly reduced with 89 octane fuel". Rubbish. We have been using 89 octane fuel since day one, and the problem is very pronounced. A friend of ours who bought the identical vehicle after he saw ours uses 87 octane all the time, and has never had a "fishbite" sensation. So I suspect that if your particular Durango is predisposed to the condition, changing fuel grades on its own will have little effect. However, that is merely my opinion; it isn't like I would ever use 87 octane fuel at any rate, whether the fishbite goes away or not.
The new dealer reset our adaptives first thing on our first visit. The vehicle felt like it did when it rolled off the lot on day one. It was like an entirely different car: more powerful, different response from gas pedal, increased highway mileage, and less of the 'fishbiting'. We were stunned. However, within four days of normal use, the vehicle's old tricks began to reassert themselves; it became apparent that something is throwing the adaptives out of whack, not that there is some significant flaw with the engine.
The new dealer we are working with is not going to wait for the update from Chrysler. They are going to have one of their top technical diagnosers take the car (next week, I believe), and start from scratch as if they have never heard of the problem, to see if they can get to the bottom of it on their own. They say that this guy is really good, and some of his work has been turned into TSB updates, so I have high hopes.
Other than a few little quirks, this vehicle is rock-solid and bulletproof. If we could only get these few bugs ironed out by a competent dealer, then I'll keep it until the day it falls apart. But if it isn't fixable, then I will strongly consider moving on to another car.
I hope that this update is helpful, and I will come back and post whatever new information we receive from this new service department as quickly as I get it. Take care, everyone!
Best wishes,
Kent
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Two new tsb's out to fix this guys, will link them later.
now is later...
http://www.wk2jeeps.com/tsb/tsb_wk2_2100413.pdf
http://www.wk2jeeps.com/tsb/tsb_wk2_2100313.pdf
now is later...
http://www.wk2jeeps.com/tsb/tsb_wk2_2100413.pdf
http://www.wk2jeeps.com/tsb/tsb_wk2_2100313.pdf
Last edited by shelbymopar89; Apr 27, 2013 at 09:14 AM.
