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Alright so I was one of those people. I bought a new Durango without the tow package. All gesting aside there were a few other features, specifically captains chairs with no console that trumped having the tow package..... now that I have the vehicle I'm proposing to my wife towing a travel trailer with it....


2017 citadel, hemi, awd

So all that being said I went through the list of equipment, or at least what is shown/advertised... I have the hemi which comes with the heavy duty cooling.... the dealer said the trailer braking is there in software and they can add all of the harnesses...

Is it really down to the load leveling suspension that is limiting me hitting the 7200lb weight??

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Originally Posted by Phyandrew
Alright so I was one of those people. I bought a new Durango without the tow package. All gesting aside there were a few other features, specifically captains chairs with no console that trumped having the tow package..... now that I have the vehicle I'm proposing to my wife towing a travel trailer with it....


2017 citadel, hemi, awd

So all that being said I went through the list of equipment, or at least what is shown/advertised... I have the hemi which comes with the heavy duty cooling.... the dealer said the trailer braking is there in software and they can add all of the harnesses...

Is it really down to the load leveling suspension that is limiting me hitting the 7200lb weight??

Cheers!
Andrew
When I bought my '13 R/T, I was under the impression that ALL hemi's of that year were equipped for towing. If you didn't have a hitch it could be added, which I did. The dealer reprogrammed the car to tell it that a hitch was now in place. The load leveling suspension was there as was the harness, and I was able to confirm that later by getting the "build" sheet. I will look for it shortly and post the relevant info. Now things can change over 4 years, so don't get your hopes up. I'll also try to find the info on how to get the build sheet.
 
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When I bought my '13 R/T, I was under the impression that ALL hemi's of that year were equipped for towing. If you didn't have a hitch it could be added, which I did. The dealer reprogrammed the car to tell it that a hitch was now in place. The load leveling suspension was there as was the harness, and I was able to confirm that later by getting the "build" sheet. I will look for it shortly and post the relevant info. Now things can change over 4 years, so don't get your hopes up. I'll also try to find the info on how to get the build sheet.

I'm hoping that's the case... I've emailed dodge asking for the build sheet. I know I have the cooling and other stuff, I'd be really surprised if the suspension leveling is really the constraint.
 
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Found the build sheet. Unfortunately I can't attach it so I pasted it in. I sent an email to dodgecares@gmail.com with my VIN and got it back quickly. The items I bolded are the ones I think you should be looking for. BNTS - Trailer sway damping. SESP - rear load leveling suspension. I could not find the wiring harness mentioned on the build sheet, but it was already there. I crawled under the car and found it before I went to the dealer to get the hitch. Again, remember, 4 years ago. Good luck.

Build Sheet
VIN
Vehicle Description DODGE DURANGO R/T RWD SPORT UTILITY 4-DR
Model Year 2013
Body Model WD D S 75
Color PRM- Redline 2 Coat Pearl
AL Leather Trimmed Bucket Seats
-X9 Black
AJD Leather Interior Group
ANB Navigation Sys W/Remote CD Prep Grp
APAS Monotone Paint
BAJP 220 Amp Alternator
BCVS 700 Amp Maintenance Free Battery
BHCS Rain Brake Support
BHDS Ready Alert Braking
BNBS Electronic Stability Control
BNGS Hill Start Assist
BNTS Trailer Sway Damping
BR6S Anti-Lock 4-Wheel Disc HD Brakes
CBDS Active Head Restraints
CBRS Door Trim Panel w/Ambient Lighting
CDWS Frt Pass Forward Fold Flat Seat
CEES 3rd Row Remote Headrest Dumping
CFPS 3rd Row Seat
CFU 2nd Row Bucket 2 Passenger Seat
CGSS Supplemental Side Air Bags
CGUS Child Seat Anchor System-LATCH Ready
CG3S Advanced Multistage Front Air Bags**
CJ1S Supplemental Frt Seat Side Air Bags
CJ5P Supp. Side Curtain All Rows Air Bags
CKDS Floor Carpet
CKNS Cargo Compartment Carpet
CKTS Cargo Tie Down Loops
CLGS Covered Cargo Storage
CLHS Cargo Trim Panel w/Storage Net
CLTS Bright Front Door Sill Scuff Pads
CLXS Luxury Front & Rear Floor Mats
CSLP Rr Seat Armrest w/Storage Cupholder
CSRS Passenger Assist Handles
CSVS Interior Assist Handles
CTBS Lower Cargo Compartment Trim Panel
CTLS Base Door Trim Panel
CUFS Full Length Floor Console
Customer Service Dodge <dodgecares@gmail.com>
Wed 3/13/2013 6:47 AM
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CUMP Mini Floor Console
CUNS Overhead Console
CVWS Leather Wrapped Shift ****
CWBS Floor Mat, 3rd Row
CWPS Illuminated Cupholders
C1CP #3 Seat Foam Cushion
DBAC All Automatic Transmissions
DG1 6-Spd Automatic 65RFE Transmission
DLKS 3.44 Overall Top Gear Ratio
DR1S 230MM Rear Axle
DS8S Conventional Differential Rear Axle
EZH 5.7L V8 HEMI MDS VVT Engine
GAPS Laminated Front Door Glass
GBBS Tinted Windshield Glass
GCBS Front Door Tinted Glass
GEGS Deep Tint Sunscreen Glass
GFAS Rear Window Defroster
GNCS Sun Visors w/Illum Vanity Mirrors
GNZP Auto Dim Exterior Driver Mirror
GN5S RR View Auto Dim Mirror w/Microphone
GUNP Power 6X9 Multi-Func F/Away Mirrors
GWA Power Sunroof
GXDS Remote Proximity Keyless Entry
GXMS Remote Keyless Entry
GXXS Sentry Key Theft Deterrent System
GX4S Keyless Go
HAHS ATC w/3 Zone Temp Control
HBBS Rear Air Conditioning w/Heater
HGAS Hood Insulation
HGPS Premium Insulation Group
JAJS Silver Face w/Tach Instr Cluster
JCES 140 MPH Primary Speedometer
JHAS Var Intermittent Windshield Wipers
JHBS Rear Window Wiper/Washer
JJBS Dual Note Electric Horns
JJMS Auxiliary 12-Volt Rear Power Outlet
JKJP Automatic Headlamp Leveling System
JKPS 12V Auxiliary Power Outlet
JKVS 115V Auxiliary Power Outlet
JKYS Power Accessory Delay
JLBP Garmin Navigation System
JMAS Air Filtering
JPBS Power Locks
JPMP Heated Front Seats
JPZP Heated Second Row Seats
JP3S Pwr Front Windows, 1-Touch,Up & Down
JRCS Power Liftgate
JRNP Pwr Driver/Pass 4-Way Lumbar Adjust
JT1P Pwr 8-Way Drvr Mem 6-Way Pass Seats
LACS Illuminated Entry
LAZS Vehicle Information Center
LBCS Glove Box Lamp
LBRS Front & Rear Aimable LED Lamps
Page 2 of 4
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LCRS Interior Removable/Rechargeable Lamp
LEBP Ext. Mirrors w/Supplemental Signals
LEMP Exterior Mirrors w/Memory
LEPP Body Color Exterior Mirrors
LEWP Radio/Driver Seat/Mirrors Memory
LMGS Automatic Headlamps
LM4S Low Beam HID Headlamps
LNJS Fog Lamps
LSAS Security Alarm
LSES Enhanced Accident Response System
MBAS Painted Front Bumper
MDAS Front License Plate Bracket
MFAS Black Headlamp Bezels
MF4S Body Color/Accent Color Grille
ML9S Body Color Rear Fascia
MMGS Belt Moldings
MMLS Body Color Fender Flares
MNKS Body Color Door Handles
MNNS Body Color License Plate Brow
MRGS Sill Molding
MV4S R/T Badge
MW8S Delete Roof Rack
MZJS Durango Bright Badge
NAS 50 State Emissions
NEXP Dual Rear Exhaust
NF4S 25 Gallon Fuel Tank
NHJP Exterior Mirrors w/Heating Element
NHMS Speed Control
NMCP Heavy Duty Engine Cooling
NZ5S High Speed Engine Controller
PRM Redline 2 Coat Pearl
QRMS Redline 2 Coat Pearl
RC3S 9 Amplified Speakers w/Subwoofer
RDBS Removable Short Mast Antenna
RDZS Steering Wheel Mounted Audio Ctrls
RFDP 506 Watt Amplifier
RFHP 6.5" Touch Screen Display
RHBP Uconnect 430N CD/DVD/MP3/HDD/NAV
RSCS SIRIUS Satellite Radio
RSLP Bluetooth Streaming Audio
RSMP SiriusXM Travel Link
RSPS Uconnect Voice Command w/Bluetooth
RSUP Audio Jack Input for Mobile Devices
RSXP Remote USB Port
SBPS Performance Steering
SCVS Leather Wrapped Steering Wheel
SDES Sport Suspension
SESP Rear Load Leveling Suspension
SUDS Tilt/Telescope Steering Column
TBBS Full Size Spare Tire
TV9S P265/50R20 BSW All Season Tires
TZAP Goodyear Brand Tires
WLBP Steel Spare Wheel
Page 3 of 4
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WLZC All Aluminum Wheels
WSFS 20X8.0 Polish/Painted Alum Wheels
XAAP ParkSense Rear Park Assist System
XACP ParkView(TM) Rear Back-up Camera
XA8S Non Adjustable Pedals
XBMS Remote Start System
XBNP Tip Start
XGDS Universal Garage Door Opener
XGMS Tire Pressure Monitoring Display
XJAS Power Locking Fuel Filler Door
XLNS English/USA Language
XPFS Protective Coating and Remover
XRFP 40GB Hard Drive w/28GB Available
X8YS Headliner Parts Module
X8ZS Seat Parts Module
X81S Instrument Panel Parts Module
X82S Door Parts Module
X83S Front End Parts Module
X84S Front Suspension Parts Module
X85S Rear Suspension Parts Module
X88S Tire & Wheel Parts Module
X89S Front Suspension Damper Parts Module
X9AP For More Info, Call 888-539-7474
X9BP 1-Year SiriusXM Radio Service
X9FP 1-Year SiriusXM Travel Link Service
X91S Rear Suspension Damper Parts Module
YAAS Build To U.S. Mkt. Specifications
YG1A 7.5 Additional Gallons of Gas
ZATP Spring - Left Rear
ZEJP Spring - Left Front
ZNTP Spring - Right Rear
ZTJP Spring - Right Front
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Old 04-23-2017, 02:48 PM
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Awesome, thx for looking. I started googling and found the actual decoder online, I'm guessing this just isn't advertised a lot by Dodge, either way here's the link, just modify for your VIN instead.

http://www.dodge.com/webselfservice/...SDJET1HC733075

I have the trailer sway damping, but no load leveling suspension....


















Originally Posted by pjw1967
Found the build sheet. Unfortunately I can't attach it so I pasted it in. I sent an email to dodgecares@gmail.com with my VIN and got it back quickly. The items I bolded are the ones I think you should be looking for. BNTS - Trailer sway damping. SESP - rear load leveling suspension. I could not find the wiring harness mentioned on the build sheet, but it was already there. I crawled under the car and found it before I went to the dealer to get the hitch. Again, remember, 4 years ago. Good luck.

Build Sheet
VIN
Vehicle Description DODGE DURANGO R/T RWD SPORT UTILITY 4-DR
Model Year 2013
Body Model WD D S 75
Color PRM- Redline 2 Coat Pearl
AL Leather Trimmed Bucket Seats
-X9 Black
AJD Leather Interior Group
ANB Navigation Sys W/Remote CD Prep Grp
APAS Monotone Paint
BAJP 220 Amp Alternator
BCVS 700 Amp Maintenance Free Battery
BHCS Rain Brake Support
BHDS Ready Alert Braking
BNBS Electronic Stability Control
BNGS Hill Start Assist
BNTS Trailer Sway Damping
BR6S Anti-Lock 4-Wheel Disc HD Brakes
CBDS Active Head Restraints
CBRS Door Trim Panel w/Ambient Lighting
CDWS Frt Pass Forward Fold Flat Seat
CEES 3rd Row Remote Headrest Dumping
CFPS 3rd Row Seat
CFU 2nd Row Bucket 2 Passenger Seat
CGSS Supplemental Side Air Bags
CGUS Child Seat Anchor System-LATCH Ready
CG3S Advanced Multistage Front Air Bags**
CJ1S Supplemental Frt Seat Side Air Bags
CJ5P Supp. Side Curtain All Rows Air Bags
CKDS Floor Carpet
CKNS Cargo Compartment Carpet
CKTS Cargo Tie Down Loops
CLGS Covered Cargo Storage
CLHS Cargo Trim Panel w/Storage Net
CLTS Bright Front Door Sill Scuff Pads
CLXS Luxury Front & Rear Floor Mats
CSLP Rr Seat Armrest w/Storage Cupholder
CSRS Passenger Assist Handles
CSVS Interior Assist Handles
CTBS Lower Cargo Compartment Trim Panel
CTLS Base Door Trim Panel
CUFS Full Length Floor Console
Customer Service Dodge <dodgecares@gmail.com>
Wed 3/13/2013 6:47 AM
Page 1 of 4
https://outlook.live.com/owa/?path=/mail/search/rp 4/23/2017
CUMP Mini Floor Console
CUNS Overhead Console
CVWS Leather Wrapped Shift ****
CWBS Floor Mat, 3rd Row
CWPS Illuminated Cupholders
C1CP #3 Seat Foam Cushion
DBAC All Automatic Transmissions
DG1 6-Spd Automatic 65RFE Transmission
DLKS 3.44 Overall Top Gear Ratio
DR1S 230MM Rear Axle
DS8S Conventional Differential Rear Axle
EZH 5.7L V8 HEMI MDS VVT Engine
GAPS Laminated Front Door Glass
GBBS Tinted Windshield Glass
GCBS Front Door Tinted Glass
GEGS Deep Tint Sunscreen Glass
GFAS Rear Window Defroster
GNCS Sun Visors w/Illum Vanity Mirrors
GNZP Auto Dim Exterior Driver Mirror
GN5S RR View Auto Dim Mirror w/Microphone
GUNP Power 6X9 Multi-Func F/Away Mirrors
GWA Power Sunroof
GXDS Remote Proximity Keyless Entry
GXMS Remote Keyless Entry
GXXS Sentry Key Theft Deterrent System
GX4S Keyless Go
HAHS ATC w/3 Zone Temp Control
HBBS Rear Air Conditioning w/Heater
HGAS Hood Insulation
HGPS Premium Insulation Group
JAJS Silver Face w/Tach Instr Cluster
JCES 140 MPH Primary Speedometer
JHAS Var Intermittent Windshield Wipers
JHBS Rear Window Wiper/Washer
JJBS Dual Note Electric Horns
JJMS Auxiliary 12-Volt Rear Power Outlet
JKJP Automatic Headlamp Leveling System
JKPS 12V Auxiliary Power Outlet
JKVS 115V Auxiliary Power Outlet
JKYS Power Accessory Delay
JLBP Garmin Navigation System
JMAS Air Filtering
JPBS Power Locks
JPMP Heated Front Seats
JPZP Heated Second Row Seats
JP3S Pwr Front Windows, 1-Touch,Up & Down
JRCS Power Liftgate
JRNP Pwr Driver/Pass 4-Way Lumbar Adjust
JT1P Pwr 8-Way Drvr Mem 6-Way Pass Seats
LACS Illuminated Entry
LAZS Vehicle Information Center
LBCS Glove Box Lamp
LBRS Front & Rear Aimable LED Lamps
Page 2 of 4
https://outlook.live.com/owa/?path=/mail/search/rp 4/23/2017
LCRS Interior Removable/Rechargeable Lamp
LEBP Ext. Mirrors w/Supplemental Signals
LEMP Exterior Mirrors w/Memory
LEPP Body Color Exterior Mirrors
LEWP Radio/Driver Seat/Mirrors Memory
LMGS Automatic Headlamps
LM4S Low Beam HID Headlamps
LNJS Fog Lamps
LSAS Security Alarm
LSES Enhanced Accident Response System
MBAS Painted Front Bumper
MDAS Front License Plate Bracket
MFAS Black Headlamp Bezels
MF4S Body Color/Accent Color Grille
ML9S Body Color Rear Fascia
MMGS Belt Moldings
MMLS Body Color Fender Flares
MNKS Body Color Door Handles
MNNS Body Color License Plate Brow
MRGS Sill Molding
MV4S R/T Badge
MW8S Delete Roof Rack
MZJS Durango Bright Badge
NAS 50 State Emissions
NEXP Dual Rear Exhaust
NF4S 25 Gallon Fuel Tank
NHJP Exterior Mirrors w/Heating Element
NHMS Speed Control
NMCP Heavy Duty Engine Cooling
NZ5S High Speed Engine Controller
PRM Redline 2 Coat Pearl
QRMS Redline 2 Coat Pearl
RC3S 9 Amplified Speakers w/Subwoofer
RDBS Removable Short Mast Antenna
RDZS Steering Wheel Mounted Audio Ctrls
RFDP 506 Watt Amplifier
RFHP 6.5" Touch Screen Display
RHBP Uconnect 430N CD/DVD/MP3/HDD/NAV
RSCS SIRIUS Satellite Radio
RSLP Bluetooth Streaming Audio
RSMP SiriusXM Travel Link
RSPS Uconnect Voice Command w/Bluetooth
RSUP Audio Jack Input for Mobile Devices
RSXP Remote USB Port
SBPS Performance Steering
SCVS Leather Wrapped Steering Wheel
SDES Sport Suspension
SESP Rear Load Leveling Suspension
SUDS Tilt/Telescope Steering Column
TBBS Full Size Spare Tire
TV9S P265/50R20 BSW All Season Tires
TZAP Goodyear Brand Tires
WLBP Steel Spare Wheel
Page 3 of 4
https://outlook.live.com/owa/?path=/mail/search/rp 4/23/2017
WLZC All Aluminum Wheels
WSFS 20X8.0 Polish/Painted Alum Wheels
XAAP ParkSense Rear Park Assist System
XACP ParkView(TM) Rear Back-up Camera
XA8S Non Adjustable Pedals
XBMS Remote Start System
XBNP Tip Start
XGDS Universal Garage Door Opener
XGMS Tire Pressure Monitoring Display
XJAS Power Locking Fuel Filler Door
XLNS English/USA Language
XPFS Protective Coating and Remover
XRFP 40GB Hard Drive w/28GB Available
X8YS Headliner Parts Module
X8ZS Seat Parts Module
X81S Instrument Panel Parts Module
X82S Door Parts Module
X83S Front End Parts Module
X84S Front Suspension Parts Module
X85S Rear Suspension Parts Module
X88S Tire & Wheel Parts Module
X89S Front Suspension Damper Parts Module
X9AP For More Info, Call 888-539-7474
X9BP 1-Year SiriusXM Radio Service
X9FP 1-Year SiriusXM Travel Link Service
X91S Rear Suspension Damper Parts Module
YAAS Build To U.S. Mkt. Specifications
YG1A 7.5 Additional Gallons of Gas
ZATP Spring - Left Rear
ZEJP Spring - Left Front
ZNTP Spring - Right Rear
ZTJP Spring - Right Front
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Greetings - THIS IS A SERIOUS ISSUE - I'M GLAD TO SEE OTHERS ARE DEALING WITH IT. We bought a 5,300 lb travel trailer then began shopping for a tow vehicle. I DID A LOT OF RESEARCH - The dealer and all the info I found BEFORE the purchase said that they could put the hitch and wiring on and it would pull 6,200 - having been told to get a vehicle that's rated for close to 1,000lbs above trailer weight. Now obviously DODGE and the dealer are providing false information - I've seen this 3,500lb remark several times but nobody has been able to tell me how they come to this conclusion and if there is definitive proof of it. If so, I'm sure we're not the only ones who were misled - the FIRST question we asked about the 2016 Limited was how much it would to IF THEY ADDED THE HITCH - the answer was 6,200lbs. A friend who hauls a boat called our salesman asking about the same model and specifically said he'd done a lot of towing and needed to know if it needed the factory installed package to pull 6,200 - also saying he had to add things to his truck. Our salesman said "let me get some info and call you back," when he did he said just what he did to us - IT WILL PULL 6,200 AND DOES NOT NEED A FACTORY INSTALLED PACKAGE OR ANYTHING UPGRADED TO DO SO. PLEASE....If you have PROOF send it to me - this sounds like something that could lead to a class action suit - we LOVE the DD and it pulls the trailer with ease - however when I added a brake controller (plug and play) with a factory matching adapter - it gets NO POWER. Camping World told us it was because the dealer failed to connect a line to the 20 amp fuse clearly marked "BRAKE CONTROLLER" we took it back and they wouldn't do it, saying we had to hook a wire up to the controller - but there's NO PLACE FOR IT. I just don't get it, everything I saw said 6,200 prior to purchase now I keep seeing 3,500 and WE HAVE TO KNOW - IT'S GOING TO BE OUR HOME FOR THE WINTER - PLEASE TELL ME HOW YOU GET THIS NUMBER - a4hpros@gmail.com THANK YOU - JEFF HAYFORD
 
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What do you think should be done about this? The first question we asked was if the 2016 Durango Limited would pull 6,200 without factory equipped tow package and the salesman said YES - he did the same when a friend called and asked. WE DID NOT HAVE THE DVD OWNERS MANUAL. All the research I did said 6,200 - now to see the owners manual with V6 Towing with a little 1 in a circle - click on it and it says "WHEN PROPERLY EQUIPPED." We were outright lied to - plus their wiring harness did not power the brake controller, WE HAVE TO TOW OVER 6,000 and said so - it says this question is popping up a lot - does anyone know an attorney to help us file suit? I have a friend that had a used car dealership for over 30 years, he says we should be given a brand new one WITH THE TOW PACKAGE - I can't believe this - I asked them for a DVD manual and they didn't have one so they said to download one. I say I had no way to do so - and never saw this little dot "when properly equipped" We need to handle this together - everyone who was fooled.
 



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