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Volant Cold Air Intake vs other CAI's?
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#13
RE: Volant Cold Air Intake vs other CAI's?
I am actually curious if there is a true differance when it comes to using a CAI over stock. They publish gains on their site, and I could swear I felt a differance in my truck when I installed my K&N (note: I felt no differance with the drop in, nothing at all, but with the K&N CAI it was the only mod in my truck at the time). Maybe I am being naive, but can they really publish results that don't occur? Or does 10 hp really make a ton of differance? I hope I am not snagging this thread, but I am curious. Maybe HankL can shead some light on this, he does always seem to have a long opinion on these subjects.
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RE: Volant Cold Air Intake vs other CAI's?
The Volant design did not do well in tests by independent volunteers with 'no axe to grind'.
These are Dodge owners just like yourselves who really wanted to know whether the CAI claims were 'hype' or not.
http://tinyurl.com/2j4gx3
Duramax volunteer owners did one of the best studies comparing air
filters. Unfortunately it was taken off the web, but a copy of the webpages
are in Google's 'Wayback Machine' internet archive:
http://web.archive.org/web/20041208225533/http://home.usadatanet.net/~jbplock/ISO5011/SPICER.htm
To see the pictures you have to 'right click' on them, pick 'Properties', and
then to a Wayback Machine search on that .jpg image to find the copy stored.
For example, here is the 'Initial Restriction' image:
The above test shows that the KN or AFE has about 2 inches of water less
restriction.
How beneficial is 2 inches less restriction?
Well you have probably heard that the air pressure at sea level is about 14.7
psi. At most places 800 feet above sea level the pressure drops to 14.5 psi.
There is about 28 inches of water pressure for each psi, so the pressure of
the atmosphere measured in inches of water is about 400 inches.
{if you had worked as a mining engineer you would have that number memorized
since it also tells you how high a pump can 'suck' water upwards)
the KN drop in would then give about a 2/400 advantage
or about 1/2 %.
Most people can't feel a 1/2 % gain with their famous 'butt dyno'
and that is why these CAI
make lots of noise
and brightly colored
otherwise the owner couldn't tell anything.
But the story is not over.
Look how fast the KN 'blocks off' as it picks up dirt:
Notice how quickly the Amsoil, KN, and AFE filters colored lines
are climbing?
This proves that they quickly become restrictive as normal dirt
is filtered.
Nearly all the aftermarket CAI have this
'quicker block off'
problem from the dirt they trap because they use a oiled gauze cone filter
....including the Volant, Air_Ram, the MoparPerf, Airaid, etc
Have you read in a magazine somewhere that xyz cold air intake had a gain of
so many horsepower over the stock filter?
Go back and re-read the article now that you have seen the initial restriction
graph and the 'quick block off' graph.
Did the magazine testers compare a
BRAND NEW STOCK AIR FILTER
to the new out of box xyz cold air intake
or
did they dyno a used, old, mostly blocked off stock air filter
against this super dooper whiz bang CAI?
You now know how to rig a dyno test without actually lying in the text.
You also now know how a poor magazine writer,
who usually gets paid by the magazine less than $25,000 per year
can make a quick $5000 under the table cash payment
(not reported to the IRS) from the CAI maker.
These are Dodge owners just like yourselves who really wanted to know whether the CAI claims were 'hype' or not.
http://tinyurl.com/2j4gx3
Duramax volunteer owners did one of the best studies comparing air
filters. Unfortunately it was taken off the web, but a copy of the webpages
are in Google's 'Wayback Machine' internet archive:
http://web.archive.org/web/20041208225533/http://home.usadatanet.net/~jbplock/ISO5011/SPICER.htm
To see the pictures you have to 'right click' on them, pick 'Properties', and
then to a Wayback Machine search on that .jpg image to find the copy stored.
For example, here is the 'Initial Restriction' image:
The above test shows that the KN or AFE has about 2 inches of water less
restriction.
How beneficial is 2 inches less restriction?
Well you have probably heard that the air pressure at sea level is about 14.7
psi. At most places 800 feet above sea level the pressure drops to 14.5 psi.
There is about 28 inches of water pressure for each psi, so the pressure of
the atmosphere measured in inches of water is about 400 inches.
{if you had worked as a mining engineer you would have that number memorized
since it also tells you how high a pump can 'suck' water upwards)
the KN drop in would then give about a 2/400 advantage
or about 1/2 %.
Most people can't feel a 1/2 % gain with their famous 'butt dyno'
and that is why these CAI
make lots of noise
and brightly colored
otherwise the owner couldn't tell anything.
But the story is not over.
Look how fast the KN 'blocks off' as it picks up dirt:
Notice how quickly the Amsoil, KN, and AFE filters colored lines
are climbing?
This proves that they quickly become restrictive as normal dirt
is filtered.
Nearly all the aftermarket CAI have this
'quicker block off'
problem from the dirt they trap because they use a oiled gauze cone filter
....including the Volant, Air_Ram, the MoparPerf, Airaid, etc
Have you read in a magazine somewhere that xyz cold air intake had a gain of
so many horsepower over the stock filter?
Go back and re-read the article now that you have seen the initial restriction
graph and the 'quick block off' graph.
Did the magazine testers compare a
BRAND NEW STOCK AIR FILTER
to the new out of box xyz cold air intake
or
did they dyno a used, old, mostly blocked off stock air filter
against this super dooper whiz bang CAI?
You now know how to rig a dyno test without actually lying in the text.
You also now know how a poor magazine writer,
who usually gets paid by the magazine less than $25,000 per year
can make a quick $5000 under the table cash payment
(not reported to the IRS) from the CAI maker.
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RE: Volant Cold Air Intake vs other CAI's?
ORIGINAL: Midnight Runner
I havea K&Ncold air intakein my HEMI and in the SRT-10. Youwill get more from theK&N then you will get from the Volant. All you have to do is look them up and you will see. I love mine!!
I havea K&Ncold air intakein my HEMI and in the SRT-10. Youwill get more from theK&N then you will get from the Volant. All you have to do is look them up and you will see. I love mine!!
Actually, According to the manufacturers, You get more gains from the Volant!
Volatn - "Increase performance up to 18 horsepower"
K&N - "10.49 HP @ 5445 RPM"
Does the K&N go inside the fender? or does it stay inside the engine bay?
Thanks,
-ThaChad
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RE: Volant Cold Air Intake vs other CAI's?
To answer the exhaust question above, my recommendation is if you want loud, but something that is not to annoying at highway speeds and idle get the 50 series flowmaster kit. I think they call it American Thunder, working off memory here. You can get it from our sponsor www.jegs.com. I have it on my Hemi, comes with options for dual exit behind the rear tires or dual exit out the back.
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RE: Volant Cold Air Intake vs other CAI's?
ORIGINAL: 94rt10ohio
To answer the exhaust question above, my recommendation is if you want loud, but something that is not to annoying at highway speeds and idle get the 50 series flowmaster kit. I think they call it American Thunder, working off memory here. You can get it from our sponsor www.jegs.com. I have it on my Hemi, comes with options for dual exit behind the rear tires or dual exit out the back.
To answer the exhaust question above, my recommendation is if you want loud, but something that is not to annoying at highway speeds and idle get the 50 series flowmaster kit. I think they call it American Thunder, working off memory here. You can get it from our sponsor www.jegs.com. I have it on my Hemi, comes with options for dual exit behind the rear tires or dual exit out the back.
That's Why I'm thinking, I'm better off to just buy the muffler, and have a shop weld it onto my stainless tubing. The only problem there is that From the muffler back, it'll be compression bent Aluminized Steel, as no shop within 100 miles of here mandrel bends pipe, and none use stainless.
-TheChad