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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 08:43 AM
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Originally Posted by greg14_00
I need something with aggressive tread, I work in the forestry industry and do alot of gravel road driving. After winter break up in the spring there is crazy mud anyone with an AT tire out there is always stuck and I dont have time for that. time is money.
With that in mind then a MT would be a better option. Look at the Firestone MT's as they are rated very high.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by dirtydog
Check these out http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/37-X-...spagenameZWDVW

They have an aggressive treas with multiple broken up tread blocks and lots of sipes. They have sidewall tread and and are Load D rated 8 ply. Sweet looking tire.

I am really liking these tires, thanks for pointing them out. I like the way the side walls look.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by dirtydog
Check these out http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/37-X-12-50-17-4-YOKOHAMA-GEOLANDER-M-T-MUD-TIRES-NEW_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ66475QQihZ020QQitem Z300280014841QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

They have an aggressive treas with multiple broken up tread blocks and lots of sipes. They have sidewall tread and and are Load D rated 8 ply. Sweet looking tire.
'Dog, I thought you worked in the industry? Those tires (although I agree look like they'd be a pretty decent off-road tread for the money) HAVE NO SIPING!

By definition, siping is the process of cutting slits in each individual tread block, with no removal of any material. The blocks on these tires are clearly not "siped".

Those in their 40's like me, who've grown up hunting/fishing/off-roading I'm sure have taken a super aggressive off-road tire like the old original biased Baja Claw and cut their own sipes for use on pavement. Dremels work great for it.

Siping really shines in three ways. One, the slits in the individual blocks let the block flex to conform to the ground better. Two, the slits act as a "squeegie" and allow the blocks to cut throught the water to the road surface. Three, they actually act to dissipate heat, found in some real world tests to actually extend tire life by as much as 25% over an identical tire with an identical tread without siping.

Not trying to correct you 'Dog, just setting the record straight...

Look at the bottom of a good pair of boat shoes, you'll see it. John Sipe was a sailor who cut slits in the bottom of his shoes for better traction on wet, slippery decks. Everyone thought he was nuts, who knew???
 
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 11:45 AM
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I understand that taking a razor blade per say and slicing the tread blocks is the "industry term" for siping. With that said, those tread blocks have "factory" wanna be sipes that break up the tread block for increased traction and pliable *****. Tires like the BFG M/T's are a good tire and when siped are an awesome tire. Manual siping takes a lot of painful cuts and lots of time. You can have them siped by machine but as far as I have ever known, locals just use the ole' carpenters knife, narrow grinder wheel to separate the larger treads and a 6-pack to keep them occupied.
I shouldn't have used the word siping you are correct, but it was the most relevant term for the broken up tread blocks that I thought was exceptable. I suppose it wasn't exceptable.
Either way, he still like the tires and they appear to be a descent looking offroad tire as well as on road durability and have to be far quieter than the current BFG's he's running now.
 

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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 11:49 AM
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I suppose I'm just splitting hairs, but I was corrected in the same manner on another forum about three years ago. And don't you think for a minute I didn't Google "siping" at the time. Pissed me off when I found out the guy was right.
Been waiting all this time to nail someone else on it, kinda passing the buck, as it were ...
 
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 11:52 AM
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There aren't that many MT's that are siped though, other than some of the really $$$$$ tires.

Maybe Nitto Mud Grabbers might be the ticket.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by jankerson
There aren't that many MT's that are siped though, other than some of the really $$$$$ tires.

Maybe Nitto Mud Grabbers might be the ticket.
That used to be the way, but all of the newer M/T designs seem to be siped. Look at the Mud Grapplers, Mickey MTZs, Cepek Mud Country's, etc.

It's the old school designs like the Mickey Baja Claws, BFGs & Boggers that lack siping.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by HammerZ71
That used to be the way, but all of the newer M/T designs seem to be siped. Look at the Mud Grapplers, Mickey MTZs, Cepek Mud Country's, etc.

It's the old school designs like the Mickey Baja Claws, BFGs & Boggers that lack siping.
Like I was saying the higher priced tires have siping.

But Then I still think one of the more agressive AT tires might also be a good choice. There are some that are more agressive than some of the MT's.

I know mine are very agressive for sure, they really dig in and on my 2wd they are great.
 
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Old Dec 23, 2008 | 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by HammerZ71
I suppose I'm just splitting hairs, but I was corrected in the same manner on another forum about three years ago. And don't you think for a minute I didn't Google "siping" at the time. Pissed me off when I found out the guy was right.
Been waiting all this time to nail someone else on it, kinda passing the buck, as it were ...
Well, I haven't googled sipes, but I'll try and pass the buck to the next guy and keep it goin for ya!
 
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