go with the zeons... I had bfgs on my last truck and they were awesome, but I couldn't afford them in a 20 so I got the Cooper zeon ltz. I think it is better than the bfgs for wet traction. I also was having the issue with flats when my good years got old. Good years are junk. That review you read was probably from a rep.

 

How can a 4 ply be better than a 10 ply tire?

 

Here is what I can say, and I am no expert. I checked around and some people say that they are a 5 ply and others say its a 10 ply. It doesn't say on their website. But mine are load range E and I read other forums where guys with diesel trucks are running them. I am very happy with them and when I was looking, and I did a lot of research on many different tires, I found that almost every post I read people were thrilled with them. I can say from personal experience and working at a dodge and jeep dealership for 10 years that the general consensus on Goodyear was plain ans simple.... JUNK. Take it for what it is. Just my $.02

 

I'm actually thinking about getting the same tires now. Just not sure if I'm going to like how skinny they are. In a perfect world I would get some 35x12.5x20 tires but the wallet says otherwise.

 

yea, the dealer said they come in all different ply and he dcan sell the 10 ply for less than the 4 ply because they sell so many. I think thats what I am going with unless someone changes my mind in the next few days. Thanks all

 

The Cooper LTZ's side by side with your current tires are no comparison. The LTZ's are rated XL=extra load. Even though they are a 4ply at heart, they are much tougher than the average 4ply.
For example, the stock 20" Wranglers that come on the Rams I was able to push the tred in to collapse the tire with just my pointer finger. (this is tire off of rim keep in mind) The Coopers, I was able to sit on them without them crushing in like the stock Goodyear Wrangler crap tires would do with just a poke of my finger.
The Coopers are very tough and I think they would def save on flats.
You don't need a 10ply for a 1500. There's nothing a 1500 can do that requires a 10ply. Buying a 10ply to prevent flats is good in one mind but silly in another.
My main goal was flats when i removed the stock tires along with terrible wet weather perfomance.

I just wouldn't rule out the LTZ's because they are rated a 4ply on paper. Remember, 4ply doesn't mean it's a 4ply. It just means that it is "equivelant" to a Bias rated 4ply tire from years ago.

Hammer, TRXus or however it's spelled. Most of their tires are Bias/radial mixed or just Bias which neither should be used for on road performance. Actual Bias ply tires suck compared to Radial for Pavement use.
Ply rating is used because it's a known rating.

You should go by Load Index, not Ply rating. Cooper LTZ "4ply" tires are rated for just about 3,000lbs. it's almost as much as some 10ply and much more than most 4ply's. I know the Coopers Load index is 119 for the 275/60/20 size

 

yea, I just want a good tough tire at a good price. That’s another thing the 10 ply tire is $8 less than the cooper Zeon. My mind is not made up yet, but I have never gotten a flat on a 10 ply, and to me 4 ply tires are road only use unless you want problems. I ran the cooper ST 4 ply for a while, and I had flats on them since day one and they were a highly recommended tire from several locals. I am on gravel roads though every day, and it eats the soft rubber up bad. The 10 plys I have owned in the past have lasted years until I traded or sold my vehicles.

 

My father had the Wrangler ATS tires on his 2004 F-150. They lasted 30kmi and were practically bald. he drives well, like an old man...lol
The tires were rough he said and they were a little noisey.

That's all I can say about them. Other than the reviews at Discount tire seem to be every 5 guys or so get out of round tires or have trouble balancing them The ATS's that is.

 

Once again though the reviews I read are the 4 ply and not the 10 ply. Huge difference in toughness.

 

I was not comparing puncture resistance. You are stuck on that!
ATS "4 ply" is made of the SAME compound as the "10ply". How you think the reviews change from a 4ply to a 10 ply tire??????? The tread is the same, the compound is the same. Only difference is a stiffer tire that weighs more and costs more that's it.

Again, you gotta forget about ply ratings as there ARE NO PLIES IN RADIAL TIRES.

Do yourself a favor and look ONLY at Load Index ratings.
"10 ply" rated tires are gonna ride rougher in general. They are also much heavier of a tire being thrown into your suspension components. Those are the 2 things you need to think about as well, not just Puncture resistance.

The AT/s are only made in 65 series not 60 so they are 34.5" tall. Not 33" tall. Also, they weigh 10lbs more per tire than the Coopers. i think your overcompensating for the E load becuz of flats on the "car" tire that comes from the factory. They are just that. Car tires put on a truck. Any actual Truck tire that's an A/T or semi-offroad tire will have a harder time getting a flat over the stock car type tire that is oem standard. You cannot compare a "Highway ribbed" tire that is 4ply to an A/T 4ply. generally the A/T is tougher. Much tougher even though it's still rated at that same 4ply. Why? Because there is no such things as Plies in radial tires only Load Index.

Stock Goodyear HP's have a 114 Load index or 2660lbs
Silent Armors have a 114 Index
Destination LE has a 114 Index
Cooper LTZ has a 119 index yet all are "equivelant" to a 4 ply rating. That is why you need to Ignore the Ply rating. It's useless. It's like trying to change your plug wires when you actually have COP.(coil on plug) Plug wires were old school. PLY rating is oldschool.
Index rating is the new COP.

Your Wrangler "10 Ply" has a load index of 126 or 123 depending on which you choose.
126=3750lbs
123=3400lbs

Cooper LTZ 119=3,000lbx4=12,000lb.
3750x4=15,000lbs No way you really need this much as the truck could never handle that weight. But, to each his own. But as you can see, they are not far from the Coopers.

Also, I retract my last staement about the AT/S tires. My father had those too and did like them. He got 50kmi out of them. The Silent Armor tires are what he didn't like and only got 30kmi from them.
AT/S=good Silent Armor=not so good. sorry for the confusion.