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Old Dec 4, 2009 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Got_Hemi44
It's actually pretty genius if you ask me. By making the vehicle difficult to work on, it forces a lot of people too take them too the dealerships which generates more profit. Engineers design them like this on purpose. Just like GM engineers design things to break.
wouldnt surprise me at all if this was 100% true. makes more sense than the designers just being dumb$hits for not paying attention to their work or the suggestions of current owners... but it still beats the hell out of driving a lil tin can honda
 
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Old Dec 4, 2009 | 08:41 PM
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One thing most people do not know this was said years ago.
GM and Ford came out and said they made there profits off parts not there cars. Japan on the other hand asked there people what they wanted what was said was they wanted a car that lasted and would pay a little more for it. This is why to this day you can go to a junk yard and pull parts off a Japanese car and still get as many miles off that used part as you would from a new American part. But lets face it you get in a Japanese car and it sounds like a tin can.
My Ford lasted 65K miles and fell apart and I have friends with Toyota that have 250K and the only part that looks bad is the interior.

I still like American!
 

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Old Dec 4, 2009 | 09:04 PM
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I've had a set of three universals (1/4", 3/8" & 1/2") since probably the early 80s. I saw a set of the three Craftsman universals recently in a Sears flier in the paper. If I'm not mistaken the set was only $19.95 and the sale was right up till close to Christmas...
 
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Old Dec 4, 2009 | 11:12 PM
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<rant>...who the dumbass dodge engineer was that figured out the layout for these engines and decided to put all that crap around the spark plug location on the 8th cylinder. I liked to shake his hand and beat his ***.</rant>

Maybe I'm doing it the hard (wrong) way or something, but I don't see how there is anything else you can take off or move out of the way to make getting to that spark plug easier. And I can only contort myself so far these days.
yea these plug aint that easyto get out. but they are like cutting butter with a hot knife compared to my dodge work van. the 1 and 3 plugs are damn near impossible to get cause of the tunnel.
 
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Old Dec 5, 2009 | 03:09 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeHemi
Don't forget about the engineer who designed the driver side headlight access. That man is going to hell.
What access lol.
 
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Old Dec 5, 2009 | 03:11 AM
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[QUOTE=Mikey1;1896448]One thing most people do not know this was said years ago.
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My Ford lasted 65K miles and fell apart and I have friends with Toyota that have 250K and the only part that looks bad is the interior.

What the hell did you do to that ford for it to have only gotten 65k miles?!?! No vehicle of any make is that bad.
 
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Old Dec 5, 2009 | 06:08 AM
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Universals and "wobble bars" are the mechanics best friends.........along with the BFH lol.
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Old Dec 5, 2009 | 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeHemi
Don't forget about the engineer who designed the driver side headlight access. That man is going to hell.
+1, had to deal with this last night. Took some cussing but got it done
 
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Old Dec 5, 2009 | 08:50 PM
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Hello all, i have been cruising this site for some time and decided to make my first statement in reply to this thread. I am a mechanical engineer and cringe every time i hear someone ripping engineers on their"design", especially with vehicles. im not posting this to bust anyone's chops or be rude but more to inform.

As a design/mechanical engineer you are given a list of criteria and this list must be followed to a "T" when designing. on the top of 90% of those criteria lists is the almighty dollar. we must use current technology, techniques, and processes to follow this list. unfortunately this means most of the time the design is flawed and causes issues with the end product. most of these engineers, including myself, hate this about our jobs and constantly fight these items, however, just like the rest of the world the green back has ultimate say.

sorry for my rant, but i just wanted to get this point out there.
 
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Old Dec 5, 2009 | 09:35 PM
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yeah rather drive American, last week had to change spark plugs on some dip $h!ts ricer and it was mission impossible! engines were not meant to be in side ways pined up on fire wall! so ours doesnt seem that hard to change any more!
 
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