LSD Retaining Clips
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LSD Retaining Clips
So I'm sure this has been beaten to death, but we just picked up a 2005 Ram 1500 with a LSD, and I've been doing some reading up on the dreaded retaining clips. While I have been able to find lots of general information, it is tough to find anything specific. My questions are (and any that anyone can answer would be appreciated):
1) The clips were apparently upgraded in 2005, and failure rates have dropped since then (but I think it is still a problem on 2005+ is it not?). Most issues I find are 2004 and older, with the occasional report of a newer truck. Does anyone know was it fixed on all 2005's, or will it depend on my build date if I have the improved clips or not? Any way to tell?
2) We don't have the cash to put in another LSD (as much as I'd like to), but I was able to find the part number for just the clips. I could find lots of people talking about just removing them, and a few say that they replaced them, but not any details how they do this. Some people say you can replace them without complete disassembly, but I don't see how. From what I can tell you need to completely disassemble the carrier and take out the clutch packs to replace the clips. Is there a trick I am missing, is it possible to replace the clips easily? I thought I remembered reading someone say you don't even need to remove the carrier, but I can't see how that is true? I'm wondering if it is easy to remove them without disassembling them but impossible to put new ones on? I haven't opened up my diff yet, but I was planning on it this weekend to do a fluid change. I'd like to change the clips if it is possible without completely disassembling the rear diff. Any tips would be appreciated.
Again, sorry for posting this, I know there are lots of threads on this, I was just having a tough time finding any specific information about replacing the clips. Also, where do you guys buy your Detroit or Auburn LSD's? Just so I can get an idea of the price, it seems like if we did go that route it would be about $500 for an Auburn Gears diff? Thanks,
1) The clips were apparently upgraded in 2005, and failure rates have dropped since then (but I think it is still a problem on 2005+ is it not?). Most issues I find are 2004 and older, with the occasional report of a newer truck. Does anyone know was it fixed on all 2005's, or will it depend on my build date if I have the improved clips or not? Any way to tell?
2) We don't have the cash to put in another LSD (as much as I'd like to), but I was able to find the part number for just the clips. I could find lots of people talking about just removing them, and a few say that they replaced them, but not any details how they do this. Some people say you can replace them without complete disassembly, but I don't see how. From what I can tell you need to completely disassemble the carrier and take out the clutch packs to replace the clips. Is there a trick I am missing, is it possible to replace the clips easily? I thought I remembered reading someone say you don't even need to remove the carrier, but I can't see how that is true? I'm wondering if it is easy to remove them without disassembling them but impossible to put new ones on? I haven't opened up my diff yet, but I was planning on it this weekend to do a fluid change. I'd like to change the clips if it is possible without completely disassembling the rear diff. Any tips would be appreciated.
Again, sorry for posting this, I know there are lots of threads on this, I was just having a tough time finding any specific information about replacing the clips. Also, where do you guys buy your Detroit or Auburn LSD's? Just so I can get an idea of the price, it seems like if we did go that route it would be about $500 for an Auburn Gears diff? Thanks,
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To start, many refer to them as "c-clips" but they are not. C-clips hold your axles into the carrier. The cluth pack retaining clips are W-shaped, not even c-shaped. So, you'll probably find a bunch of posts by searching for "c-clips".
I did a quick pic and description awhile back in this thread:
https://dodgeforum.com/forum/3rd-gen...rear-diff.html
I have added my answers in blue below your questions inside your quote.
Yes, $500 for Auburn and a little more the the Detroit. You'll need a master install kit as well because you would want to replace all the bearings. This adds another $120.
I did a quick pic and description awhile back in this thread:
https://dodgeforum.com/forum/3rd-gen...rear-diff.html
I have added my answers in blue below your questions inside your quote.
So I'm sure this has been beaten to death, but we just picked up a 2005 Ram 1500 with a LSD, and I've been doing some reading up on the dreaded retaining clips. While I have been able to find lots of general information, it is tough to find anything specific. My questions are (and any that anyone can answer would be appreciated):
1) The clips were apparently upgraded in 2005, and failure rates have dropped since then (but I think it is still a problem on 2005+ is it not?). Most issues I find are 2004 and older, with the occasional report of a newer truck. Does anyone know was it fixed on all 2005's, or will it depend on my build date if I have the improved clips or not? Any way to tell?
2005.5 they were upgraded from what I know. I could be mistaken. They simply made them thicker and this took up some of the excess slack as described in my link above.
2) We don't have the cash to put in another LSD (as much as I'd like to), but I was able to find the part number for just the clips. I could find lots of people talking about just removing them, and a few say that they replaced them, but not any details how they do this. Some people say you can replace them without complete disassembly, but I don't see how. From what I can tell you need to completely disassemble the carrier and take out the clutch packs to replace the clips. Is there a trick I am missing, is it possible to replace the clips easily? I thought I remembered reading someone say you don't even need to remove the carrier, but I can't see how that is true? I'm wondering if it is easy to remove them without disassembling them but impossible to put new ones on? I haven't opened up my diff yet, but I was planning on it this weekend to do a fluid change. I'd like to change the clips if it is possible without completely disassembling the rear diff. Any tips would be appreciated.
I would not advise pulling them out. They take up the slack in the clutch packs. The packs will slop around and begin to cut into your carrier. I would say by 30kmi you will have severe problems and need a new carrier and/or clutch discs because they will be beaten up and worn out.
Yes, you need to disassemble in order to replace them that is remove the carrier and setting in on a bench. You do not need to discet the carrier, just remove it from the truck. Here's a link describing.
Again, sorry for posting this, I know there are lots of threads on this, I was just having a tough time finding any specific information about replacing the clips. Also, where do you guys buy your Detroit or Auburn LSD's? Just so I can get an idea of the price, it seems like if we did go that route it would be about $500 for an Auburn Gears diff? Thanks,
1) The clips were apparently upgraded in 2005, and failure rates have dropped since then (but I think it is still a problem on 2005+ is it not?). Most issues I find are 2004 and older, with the occasional report of a newer truck. Does anyone know was it fixed on all 2005's, or will it depend on my build date if I have the improved clips or not? Any way to tell?
2005.5 they were upgraded from what I know. I could be mistaken. They simply made them thicker and this took up some of the excess slack as described in my link above.
2) We don't have the cash to put in another LSD (as much as I'd like to), but I was able to find the part number for just the clips. I could find lots of people talking about just removing them, and a few say that they replaced them, but not any details how they do this. Some people say you can replace them without complete disassembly, but I don't see how. From what I can tell you need to completely disassemble the carrier and take out the clutch packs to replace the clips. Is there a trick I am missing, is it possible to replace the clips easily? I thought I remembered reading someone say you don't even need to remove the carrier, but I can't see how that is true? I'm wondering if it is easy to remove them without disassembling them but impossible to put new ones on? I haven't opened up my diff yet, but I was planning on it this weekend to do a fluid change. I'd like to change the clips if it is possible without completely disassembling the rear diff. Any tips would be appreciated.
I would not advise pulling them out. They take up the slack in the clutch packs. The packs will slop around and begin to cut into your carrier. I would say by 30kmi you will have severe problems and need a new carrier and/or clutch discs because they will be beaten up and worn out.
Yes, you need to disassemble in order to replace them that is remove the carrier and setting in on a bench. You do not need to discet the carrier, just remove it from the truck. Here's a link describing.
Again, sorry for posting this, I know there are lots of threads on this, I was just having a tough time finding any specific information about replacing the clips. Also, where do you guys buy your Detroit or Auburn LSD's? Just so I can get an idea of the price, it seems like if we did go that route it would be about $500 for an Auburn Gears diff? Thanks,
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I removed all the clips from my lsd and ran for over 20k miles without issue, until i could save up for my Detroit TruTrac.
Just saying and just my own personal experience.
To be honest, if your tearing down the diff and renewing stuff, it would be cheaper to do it that way.
Hoŵever if your keeping the truck, id save up and just install either a DTT or an Aurburn lsd and call it done forever.
The cost of installing a DTT and reinstalling the repaired stock lsd would be the same.
There's just the costs for either the clips as opposed to the DTT/Aurburn which would cost more but are far superior units.
Al.
Just saying and just my own personal experience.
To be honest, if your tearing down the diff and renewing stuff, it would be cheaper to do it that way.
Hoŵever if your keeping the truck, id save up and just install either a DTT or an Aurburn lsd and call it done forever.
The cost of installing a DTT and reinstalling the repaired stock lsd would be the same.
There's just the costs for either the clips as opposed to the DTT/Aurburn which would cost more but are far superior units.
Al.