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Old 09-01-2015 | 03:14 PM
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Question 2005 Diesel moving when brake is depressed.

My 2005 Dodge 2500 Diesel 2WD is trying to move my truck forward even when I have the brake depressed. It pushed me out into traffic recently. When I shift out of drive to Park or Neutral, my rpms shoot up and then return to normal, sometimes the truck shakes during this time but not always. Truck seems to run fine on the highway. This issue only happen randomly not all the time. Also it sometimes on slowing down cuts out not like gas issue but like it doesn't know to stop or go.
All this started a few months back when it just died in traffic one day making me think it was the S belt which it wasn't. The service engine soon light came on one time but not since then. No place seems to be able to figure out the issue without a hard code. I am at a loss. I have replaced both batteries, one side battery cable and alternator cables, changed the fuel and air filters and the brakes. Any place I take it wants to just start replacing things one at a time until they find the issue. I cannot afford that. These issues do not arise all the time so when they drive it they say nothing is wrong. I need helpful advice. I am a single woman with just enough car knowledge to get me in trouble.
 

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Old 09-01-2015 | 03:45 PM
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First question I would ask is if this surging corresponds with the A/C compressor coming on???
 
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Old 09-01-2015 | 03:49 PM
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A quick guess would be the torque converter in your transmission. I believe diesels are the same as gassers and have a lock up torque converter. At a predetermined speed the torque converter locks up like a direct drive to increase fuel mileage. Normally when you slow to a stop the torque converter releases or unlocks and allows you to stop while in drive. If it does not release or unlock, the direct drive is still engaged and your engine is fighting your brakes and continues to drive forward...just like trying to stop a standard transmission vehicle without pushing the clutch in. The rpms are flaring up when you shift to neutral because the computer is sensing low engine rpms.. (from your brakes trying to stop engine).
 

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Old 09-01-2015 | 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by TrueDogman
A quick guess would be the torque converter in your transmission. I believe diesels are the same as gassers and have a lock up torque converter. At a predetermined speed the torque converter locks up like a direct drive to increase fuel mileage. Normally when you slow to a stop the torque converter releases or unlocks and allows you to stop while in drive. If it does not release or unlock, the direct drive is still engaged and your engine is fighting your brakes and continues to drive forward...just like trying to stop a standard transmission vehicle without pushing the clutch in. The rpms are flaring up when you shift to neutral because the computer is sensing low engine rpms.
All very true and could be a culprit, however, properly functioning brakes should hold a stopped vehicle even if you mash the throttle, so at the very least, I'd say this truck has brake system issues...
 
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No it's not. I have a new compressor and condenser as well.
 
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Old 09-01-2015 | 03:55 PM
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It does all this only randomly. What is a ball park cost to fix it is it is what you think?
 
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Old 09-01-2015 | 03:59 PM
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I just had them replaced on front and back. Odd?
 
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Old 09-01-2015 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by HammerZ71
All very true and could be a culprit, however, properly functioning brakes should hold a stopped vehicle even if you mash the throttle, so at the very least, I'd say this truck has brake system issues...
Yes true...with an automatic transmission. Try this with a standard transmission....you will either break something...or the brakes well not hold. The lock up torque converter provides a direct solid link between the crankshaft and the rear differential.
 
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Old 09-01-2015 | 04:48 PM
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It does all this only randomly. What is a ball park cost to fix it is it is what you think?
Sorry. Can't guess. Could be something as simple as a solenoid pack or switch. Or more involved like replacement of torque converter which involves transmission removal..
 
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Old 09-01-2015 | 04:58 PM
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Some ideas here for you BJT. Read all three pages

http://www.cumminsforum.com/forum/3r...oot-brake.html
 

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