news for the 2014 Ram
#11
07-12-2013, 12:17 AM
I don't know about you guys, but most of the time I pay less for diesel then I do for gas. 5 cents as a matter of fact, and at least here I don't have to worry about price jumps. IF they do happen its only by a cent at most. When a long weekend comes up, gas prices jump by 15 cents a liter. (sorry for those who have to convert) Diesel will hardly move, the only time we see a hit seems to be in the spring. I think that is mainly to do with farmers switching out their winter/summer blends.
I also believe it was already mentioned, but your right on saying the torque is not too far off. Where the big gain is in RPMs, to give you a comparison if you don't already know. I drove a hemi for a few years, it had power but no low end grunt. When it came to a hill, or when accelerating, the motor was screaming! 4500RPM. Well my cummins, (yes i know its not the 3L) redlines at 3000 and cruises at around 1600 at 120km/h, I think my guage only goes to 5000. When I am pulling a 12k lb load, unless I am on a 7% grade my truck hardly goes up to 2200rpm and rarely has to shift. I know the 3L won't be quite that good, but I would expect it to have low end grunt. For those that tow, it could mean the world.
Yes you are going to have emissions to deal with, but you have to remember this is not a HD motor. Import cars have been running with diesels for years, and there have not been any real issues. Granted this motor will have DEF, which I am not even sure if the cars have it. But you have to also remember that the motor was designed with DEF in mind. Its not like the choker, cummins, or dmax, where they had to incorporate DEF into an already sustained motor. I also don't think that the motors emissions systems will be that extensive as a HD. I am not 100% positive, but I don't think they have to run at the same emission standards as a HD. Just in the same way that a 3500 will run on a different emission standard vs a chassis cab. The 3L is half the motor of a cummins, could run off a lower emissions standards. HOWEVER, because more people might drive it, it might turn directly opposite. Only time will tell there....
3000bucks is not much for some people either. Put it into perspective of having to upgrade to a HD truck in order to even think about getting into a diesel, and that now becomes quite profitable. You can't go from a 1500 to a BASE 2500 for less then 10 grand. (at least here...so I imagine the price of that motor will change for us here in Canada) So for those who want a diesel but don't have the money for a HD, could be very good for them. Give them the extra little bit of low end motor, and a little bit extra mileage when not pulling. I don't think the upkeep will be TOO TOO high either. Yes maintenance costs are higher, but you don't do it as often. To put it into perspective again...I change my oil when my truck tells me to. Well last time I did it it cost me 283 bucks (I don't have time to do it myself so I had it done) Well I have only done it once and I have pretty near 30k kms on my truck. (Now that I talk about it 100bucks says my light will come on tomorrow!) Yes its big time cost, but I do it a 3rd of the time. Where it could get expensive is in repairs, but if they back this motor up with a longer warranty you won't have to worry. Unless you keep it till the end...
Also on a side note, tuners have not been discontinued. They are just being changed to disallow users to perform deletes. If you buy a present tuner you have to unlock it before you can delete. Which only is possible if your using your truck for sport. They still will allow you to run anywhere up to 120HP more, which is not all that bad. But its your limit, however still much better then chipping a gas. It will also be possible for the guys that already own old tuners. IF tuning companies release a tune, it will most likely be accessible to old tuner owners.
Having been driving a diesel for just about a year now, if I didn't have to pull big loads, I think I would consider this motor...I just hope that it pays off for Ram to develop this motor.
Ram seems to be putting out lots of new tech into their trucks. GM Ford, even the imports are not really putting out too much new stuff. If anything they seem to be copying what Ram is doing. Coils, air-suspension, now a 1/2 ton diesel. Lets hope Ram got it all right!
I also believe it was already mentioned, but your right on saying the torque is not too far off. Where the big gain is in RPMs, to give you a comparison if you don't already know. I drove a hemi for a few years, it had power but no low end grunt. When it came to a hill, or when accelerating, the motor was screaming! 4500RPM. Well my cummins, (yes i know its not the 3L) redlines at 3000 and cruises at around 1600 at 120km/h, I think my guage only goes to 5000. When I am pulling a 12k lb load, unless I am on a 7% grade my truck hardly goes up to 2200rpm and rarely has to shift. I know the 3L won't be quite that good, but I would expect it to have low end grunt. For those that tow, it could mean the world.
Yes you are going to have emissions to deal with, but you have to remember this is not a HD motor. Import cars have been running with diesels for years, and there have not been any real issues. Granted this motor will have DEF, which I am not even sure if the cars have it. But you have to also remember that the motor was designed with DEF in mind. Its not like the choker, cummins, or dmax, where they had to incorporate DEF into an already sustained motor. I also don't think that the motors emissions systems will be that extensive as a HD. I am not 100% positive, but I don't think they have to run at the same emission standards as a HD. Just in the same way that a 3500 will run on a different emission standard vs a chassis cab. The 3L is half the motor of a cummins, could run off a lower emissions standards. HOWEVER, because more people might drive it, it might turn directly opposite. Only time will tell there....
3000bucks is not much for some people either. Put it into perspective of having to upgrade to a HD truck in order to even think about getting into a diesel, and that now becomes quite profitable. You can't go from a 1500 to a BASE 2500 for less then 10 grand. (at least here...so I imagine the price of that motor will change for us here in Canada) So for those who want a diesel but don't have the money for a HD, could be very good for them. Give them the extra little bit of low end motor, and a little bit extra mileage when not pulling. I don't think the upkeep will be TOO TOO high either. Yes maintenance costs are higher, but you don't do it as often. To put it into perspective again...I change my oil when my truck tells me to. Well last time I did it it cost me 283 bucks (I don't have time to do it myself so I had it done) Well I have only done it once and I have pretty near 30k kms on my truck. (Now that I talk about it 100bucks says my light will come on tomorrow!) Yes its big time cost, but I do it a 3rd of the time. Where it could get expensive is in repairs, but if they back this motor up with a longer warranty you won't have to worry. Unless you keep it till the end...
Also on a side note, tuners have not been discontinued. They are just being changed to disallow users to perform deletes. If you buy a present tuner you have to unlock it before you can delete. Which only is possible if your using your truck for sport. They still will allow you to run anywhere up to 120HP more, which is not all that bad. But its your limit, however still much better then chipping a gas. It will also be possible for the guys that already own old tuners. IF tuning companies release a tune, it will most likely be accessible to old tuner owners.
Having been driving a diesel for just about a year now, if I didn't have to pull big loads, I think I would consider this motor...I just hope that it pays off for Ram to develop this motor.
Ram seems to be putting out lots of new tech into their trucks. GM Ford, even the imports are not really putting out too much new stuff. If anything they seem to be copying what Ram is doing. Coils, air-suspension, now a 1/2 ton diesel. Lets hope Ram got it all right!