I agree about FI being a good thing. GM did it in many cars over the years without issue, just great results. Hell the quickest GM vehcile was a FI V6 BUICK in 1987, not a V8 Corvette. Ford has also done well with them in their Mustangs and Lightning. And I did not want to compare too much as it is a different tech, but diesels of course have great success. I even have a FI vehicle, although I am FI 10 cylinders

To be honest, it is the advacement that causes the issues. While the technology is generally great, when it does not work and the real world exposes what testing cannot, well the end result is bad. Give me an engine with a carb, rotor and points and I will show you an engine that I can fix not matter the issue. Basic means reliable, mainly due to less points of failure. Of course we are never going back there.

 

+1 they just plain work

 

The technology today is GREAT for the "tow truck business`s", but not so much for the old points & condensor, carbed engines.
Maybe, just maybeeee, we SHOULD go back there...! Call me old fashioned, but things were MUCH simpler back then.
Things like when you rode in a pick up truck, thats exactly what it was, not some car with a truck box installed on it.

 

dodge, ford and gm suck mokey ***** but thier all masters of hype and deception with shinny paint and feel good adds..

my next truck will be a Hyundai low expectations that impress will allways out shine high ecpectations failing daily in your drive way.

the big three suck..thier products are only sold in North america or made by some else with a dart, or cruse, or focus name plate..


in time Hyundai will be selling trucks in north America.

aa for dodge..its a mixed bag of tricks. built with crap drag links and class action law suites waitting in mass with ram sold axle front suspensions.

sticks and stones break manufacturing name plates...

 

In South Africa, hyundai medium trucks are doing extreamly well.

Hyundai builds heavy equipment as well as complete frighters, from steal to power plants, thier abilities to build proven power trains is well established in the rest of the world.

Just for spite, I would give hyundai the chance to build me a truck that is not a clone of the 4rth gen Ram ( hyundai rebadged the ram for a marketing study)

Hyundai is more than a car builder, but I admit conceptions of the brand still linger to this day with the pony, its not a simple task to knock of the big three who demand and expect loyal slave's to buy into a brand...

Thiers a lot of demand for a small displacement diesel engine from a 4 ton commerical truck, ( hyundai or izzue ) in a light to medium duty application, or even in a compact truck..

Toyota now Owns the mid size truck market, as Ford, Gm and dodge gave up, and up sized the pricing on a full size truck, vers offering a full size truck for the price of a mid size..

Toyota Tundra is over priced, the Honda ridge line is not a truck, but a suv with a box, so thats a lost cause, unless you want a well built suv with a box...

Im all for options, Ford, Gm and dodge, reinvent option packages, sigh....

its basic marketing, Im a happy hyundai owner with 0 complaints on my Elantra touring, so I will give the barnd a chance if thiers a light duty truck offerd in the nect three to four years..

Dodge screwed me when the drag link fell of my 3rd gen ram 2500, ( vin not part of the old style drag link recall) so why would I buy a small car, like the dart fart, or that ugly fait thing, or even support a dodge dealer when Hyundai dealer service ( ie not charging me for warenty claims ) wash' my car every time I take it in for service/maintance..

Dodge dealer here in Calgary allways had to invent a way to bill myself and Chrysler Canada for warenty work..

 

You need to find a different dealership

 

I discoverd the aftermarket...Best resource a dodge Ram owner can have.

Here in Calgary, all dodge dealers rank below the heel of my boot!

I deal with a small independant garage now for repairs, up keep and never had a issue..

Now chrysler canada is offering me free road side assistance and a free mecanical inspection from my orginal dealer, Sad to say the whole truck ( drive line, front stearing, front suspension has been rebuilt after the warenty was over, ie warenty replaced parts failed in 5 years or just after 100,000 km. )

130,000 km now on my 06 2500 ram..No way in hell any one from a calgary dodge dealer is going get thier paws on my truck... Its better now than when dodge built it!!!

Majority of brand owners do not return for service when the warrenty is up!! and the majority of brand owners ( no issues for me with Hyundai ) are taken for granted from delership service departments...

 

I agree with the dealership service being the link of most returning customers. I've said this a half dozen times or better, Chrysler lost A LOT of loyal customers locally when they shut down Quaden Dodge in WI. They could of sold any brand name new vehicles, and I would of purchased from them. Service and warranty work were unsurpassed with them!

Like you, I struggle with the other remaining local CJD, RAM dealerships too. Service is like standing in deli line pulling a number and waiting for someone to speak with you. Follow up service is far below par, hell twice they forgot I even came in for warranty work, and never called me back when parts arrived.

We purchased a new Regal GS (wifes), first GM product I've ever bought new. The deslership is ABSOLUTELY outstsnding! I read on the Buick forums with a couple warranty common issues others were dealing with as us too, and other GM dealerships were making their customers jumping through hoops.

Example, the drivers seat had issues with heating element, (On and Off randomly). Other dealerships were tearing seat pads apart, attempting to make proper fix and failing, among other issues. Our dealership, diagnosed the problem, ordered an entirely new leather seat, pad. Oh, they also noticed that the center caps looked to be hazed over from the previous winter with all the elements contributed to winter. Wasn't acceptable to them, ordered a new set. When her seat pad arrived her rear directional bulb was out (after 1 yr. 12k), so I had her purchase a new bulb so I could replace it after work. Well didn't have to do that either, replaced for free, didn't even charge for the bulb. Yeah, it's small things, but small things go along ways! I'm just happy if my RAM dealership calls me back when parts arrive, I guess I've learned to settle for less, especially when QUADEN DODGE was revoked their dealership license back in '09.

 

Well, when chrysler opens their eye`s (like THATS ever going to happen) and see`s they dont have any repeat customers, (and THAT number dwindles daily) they`ve got nobody to blame but themselves. They wont do anything about their dealerships to fix the problem, so when they all close their doors due to no sales... oh well...! We all KNOW, that chrysler is on these forums looking around, but for mostly the wrong reasons. Ther are a couple members on here (Chris B & Katie, supposedly employed by chrysler...?) that really do try to help people on here, but no pun intended, they are helping in the wrong place. The dealerships is what chrysler should be concentrating on, thats where the REAL complaints start at, not at the forums. People only come to the forums to complain AFTER the fact, not before it. I have written to chrysler myself in the past, (even phone calls too) about their horrible dealerships, after going to several different dealers, all turned out the same...horrible. They cant seem to get organized, or repair the problem right the first time. The so-called "TECH`s" in the dealerships are NOT even trained properly. I havent met one to this day, that i would even let work on a cardboard box. For me, its all about the "after the sale servicework". Any fool can sell a truck, not just anybody knows how to fix that truck. And if they DO fix it, was it done, right...? I feel bad for some of you that have experienced what i have been going thru with dealerships, its just not right. To those that have excellent luck with your dodge dealership, one of two things, either you`re getting screwed by your dealer and you dont know the difference, or you`re just plain lucky.

 

I agree 100%. Since I was 20 I have been a loyal Dodge fan, that's all I have ever bought, my last 3 trucks were new. I never had ONE problem with any of them until this one. I cannot count how many times I have been to the dealer.......... EVERY time they make a "repair" they mess up something else, I absolutely dread taking it in so I have lived with the last problem they inflicted 9 months ago. It finally got so bad this week I took it back in. They asked how long I had the problem and I told them ever since the LAST time I brought it in. They asked *why* I waited so long. I told them the truth - because every time I bring it in you mess up something else and I am without the truck for a week, sometimes more. I have given up. What a nightmare of problems I have gone through, AC (3X), Cylinder heads (2X), transmission, coil packs, ABS Module, the list goes on and on. Most are the result of the dealers "workmanship". One time I picked it up and it was misfiring so bad I could not get 3 blocks down the road. I took it right back and they asked “Are you sure” LOL. The service manager hopped in, started it up, said “oh crap” and shut it back off. Another week in the bay. Don’t they test drive it???? They have been polite, apologetic and accommodating but never effective in repairs. I NEVER Thought I would say this but - This is my last Dodge. They are losing a lifelong customer. I take it in again next week knowing full well they will bugger up something else....but I have no choice, lifetime warranty means Dealer.