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All 2009 Owners Come in Here! K&N vs. Paper. Oil vs. Oil

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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 08:52 AM
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After much debate in another thread, https://dodgeforum.com/forum/4th-gen...he-dyno-7.html, I decided that we as the 4th Gen Ram owners can do some testing to find out what exactly our air filters are doing. By sending a small sample of oil to Blackstone Labs, we can find out what our air filters are filtering. This test can also measure the amount of additive in the oil, as in, how much of your oil is still oil.

We can also end the debate of oil change frequency and synthetic vs. conventional.

I have a K&N filter on there right now and have 1000 miles to go before my next oil change (6000 miles). I am running Castrol full synthetic and a K&N filter.

Here is the link to a sample report and what it will tell you.
http://www.blackstone-labs.com/gas_report_1.html

Link to the free test kit. It cost 22.50$ to get a regular test, 32.50$ for the regular test along with the additive test.
http://www.blackstone-labs.com/free_test_kit.html

Link to the testing procedures.
http://www.blackstone-labs.com/gas_sampling.html

If you want to participate with oil testing or air filter testing, let me know in this thread or PM me.

Please, if you want to end the questions of "What air filter is best?" and "What oil is best", please participate. I will do this a few times since I want to know for myself anyway. I assume since we all spent 25K or more on our trucks we have 32.50$ to do this once. It will let you know how your engine and oil are performing.

I will post my results in this post once completed. I am also going to make a spreadsheet of all data and participants so that there is a central source for viewing the data.

As always, I am open to suggestions and if there is any other data required please let me know and I will add it to the list. I usually forget a lot of things.
 

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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 09:10 AM
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6000 miles between oil changes? That's the driving miss daisy to church maintenance schedule.

Trucks that are used as trucks fall under the severe duty schedule which is more like 3000 miles.
 
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6000 miles between oil changes? That's the driving miss daisy to church maintenance schedule.

Trucks that are used as trucks fall under the severe duty schedule which is more like 3000 miles.
Read your owners manual again.

Are you going to participate, even at 3000 mile intervals?
 
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by sarguy01
Read your owners manual again.

Are you going to participate, even at 3000 mile intervals?
6K is the absolute Max according to the manual. But no, there's not a lot of value in comparing my 3000 miles of towing, gravel roads and trips to work against someone elses driving/conditions. There is no common basis for a comparison. The only meaningfull filter comparisons you are going to get have already been done and documented in the other thread.
 
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 09:34 AM
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Exactly^^^^^. There is no base line. This truck before a K&N and after. This truck has more or less miles. Different oil filter. Too many variables for even Mythbusters.
 
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 11:43 AM
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Exactly^^^^^. There is no base line. This truck before a K&N and after. This truck has more or less miles. Different oil filter. Too many variables for even Mythbusters.
That is what I was getting at in the other thread.

If you still want to participate, let me know. Otherwise, I may set up something with my own truck over the next year. Say, four oil changes and analysis, two with the K&N and two with the stock paper.

If you are going to get close to me criteria wise and still want to compare, I am all for it.
 

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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 03:46 PM
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for those inquiring minds- advertising hype?
something other than anecdotal evidence.

http://duramax-diesel.com/spicer/index.htm
 
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for those inquiring minds- advertising hype?
something other than anecdotal evidence.

http://duramax-diesel.com/spicer/index.htm
Thanks, but we saw that in another thread.

I want to know how that guy got hooked up with that test for free. Seems fishy to me.
 
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Old Jun 8, 2009 | 04:12 PM
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Excellent idea, I have a buddy with a 2009 1500 CC. We just did an initial change at 500 miles, he will change again at 6000. When he does I will go half’s with him on an analysis. Hopefully he will keep the stock paper filter until then.


Blackstone is a pretty good lab, they will send you a PDF copy of your report so it will be easy to store the results as attachments to the posts.
 
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Originally Posted by sarguy01
Thanks, but we saw that in another thread.

I want to know how that guy got hooked up with that test for free. Seems fishy to me.
Looks like the guy is a gear head just like us,

The test was independently performed under controlled conditions using a $285,000 machine at Testand Corp of Rhode Island (manufacturer of the machine). Arlen Spicer, a GM Duramax Diesel owner/enthusiast organized the test. Ken an employee of Testand offered to perform the tests at no charge. (These tests typically cost approx $1700.00 per filter). Ken, also a Diesel enthusiast and owner of a Ford Power Stroke Diesel, shared Arlen’s interest in performing an accurate unbiased test of different types and brands of diesel engine air filters. The filters used in the test were purchased retail and donated by Arlen and other individual Duramax Diesel owners. The detailed reports from the test have been compiled and are presented in the following pages. The final pages of this report present the interesting story how and why Arlen organized the test.
 
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