As a dodge owner, I always keep it real and never work on my truck until I've downed a few beers.

 

Thank you, I couldn't have said it better.

 

That's a crock of ****...no pun intended but you sound like some of the politicians running our country. We have 16 petroleum refineries including one of the four largest in the western "hemi" sphere and over a 100 major chemical plants just as big or bigger. And we are selfsustained as well but I garuantee you won't hear those kind of stories here. Drugs and alcohol are not tolerated and are dealt with 0 tolerance compliance. They take safety very seriously both in and outside the plants and there is mandatory random drug and alcohol testing 24/7. Not knocking or flaming the hard honest working people, but there seems to be a morale prob at Chrys and something needs to be done about it and fast.

 

Easy fix... Random drug and alcohol screening. But I bet the unions won't allow that in order to "protect" their workers from the unfair practices of expecting them to show up to work sober....

I remember as a kid the workers from American Airlines and McDonald Douglas would come to my dad's service station and load up on beer during lunch then go back and build military and civilian aircraft and parts. This kind of thing may be wider spread than just Chrystler. I guess we can see why their reliability is so poor.

 

"Impossible to police?"
Hardly. Just because it's a large company with lots of sprawl doesn't mean they should not remain vigilant. If the Armed Forces can do it, I see no reason why any company can't do the same.

"90% or more are honest and hardworking folks."
All the more reason to be more pro-active in stamping this kind of thing out. I am sure an auto factory has a multitude of opportunities for someone under the influence to hurt or kill themselves or other co-workers. I would hope that the "good" 90% would indeed turn the bad 10% in.

 

Which Big 3 plant do you work at to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about? I never said one word about petroleum refineries or chemical plants. I don't pretend to have knowledge of those industries, I will say that any exposure to them I have had left me impressed.

Now, you know it all so this will not be informative to you, but the others may find this helpful to them understanding why these factories are the way they are.

One reason these plants have so many...jems working in them was the Felon Reformation act, this was hidden in the act that required companies making money off dod contracts to hire Vietnam Vets. They could hire vets or cons. My plant hired several hundred ex cons and the place turned into a zoo.

The bright side is that the younger workers hired in the last ten years seem more squared away. They don't work as hard as the baby boomers but they don't have all the baggage.

 

No you didn't say anything about petro plants, but like a politician you used the size of them as an excuse for not being able to police or control them which what I say is a crock of ****. And I don't know what you mean by big 3 but this is an idustries town with several large plants. And like yours and many other companies they all have their prison program employes and none of them have the crime problems that you speak of. Prostitution, murder, chopshops and areas of the plant that are so dangerous you can't or shouldn't access...geezem! If there's that much crime and corruption there then it's your companies own fault. They did that to themselves by putting there fingers in the cookie jar along with the crooks. Again, no pun intended to you and the honest and hard working others but there is no excuse for this. This type of stuff goes on everywhere but it is dealt with from inside by the company in question. It is evident that there are some comcerned employees who are tired of this behavior and have no choice othet than to leak it to the media because their company won't do anything about it. Duh....that's why this **** goes on and on because the brass is doing nothing!

 

Good post!

 

Offf, forgot to add a few comments.

It's not the size that makes it so hard to control but the grievance processand arbitrators. Chrysler has fired a bunch of those guys who were caught, they did the right thing. But....will they still be fired in a year from now?

Here is what I think will happen. The guy(s) file a grievance and in a year it goes to the arbitrators, and in exchange for 20k grievances he/they come back with back pay, less one day DLO.

I would be very surprised if some of those guys were not back already. Bud, I am not defending this or saying it's right, it's not.

From your post's I can tell you are a clear thinker...they will have none of that...lol

 

I think there is no replacement