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Why don't I ask how much rear wheel horsepower an LS6 makes?
Because I want to know how the bare engines perform against each other, not when bolted onto an entire drivetrain. I am comparing the engines, not the cars in this instance.
Because I want to know how the bare engines perform against each other, not when bolted onto an entire drivetrain. I am comparing the engines, not the cars in this instance.
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In regards to your statement that no stock Dodge car could keep up with your Z06, thank you for reiterating that you are the farthest thing from a Mopar fan and do not belong on this forum. There are, in fact, many many Dodges, Plymouths, AND Chryslers (we won't include Mercedes in this argument just so that we don't embarass you too much!) that could give a Z06 a run for it's money/surpass it in 1 or more areas of performance.
I will give you a brief list of the first few that come to mind:
1) The 1969 Dodge Charger Daytona and 1970 Plymouth Superbirds (both the race versions AND the street versions). When the Chrysler Corporation was first testing the Charger Daytona at the Chelsea proving grounds, they reached a top speed of 243 MPH (this was the race version I am assuming). The full race cars were virtually untouchable on the NASCAR superspeedways until the day that they were outlawed. These cars had a coefficient of drag of only 0.28! A stock Hemi Daytona was once ran on the Bonneville Salt Flats and achieved a top speed of 211.7 MPH! Hmmmmmmmmmmm...I'd say that would beat the 2006 Z06's top speed of 198 MPH!
2) The 1968 Dodge Dart and Plymouth Barracuda Super Stock cars. These stripped down, 600 horsepower drag cars could run in the mid-10s stock! In fact, the Hemi Dart Super Sport held the quarter mile record for production cars until the day that the McLaren F1 came along! Sounds to me like the Z06 is smitten again with it's 11.5 second quarter-mile time.
3) The Chrysler ME-412. Not a production car yet, but when and if it is released...well...it would make the Z06 look like a Ford Tempo!
4) The 1967 R023 coded B-bodies. These 426 drag-hemi-powered monsters were 11 second cars straight out of the factory. Remember too that most of the stats for all these vintage beauties are taken from historical records from a time when radial tires were only first being conceptualized!
5) Any of the Max Wedge powered Dodges or Plymouths from 1962-1964. A loaded up Polara 500 with a stage III Max Wedge could hit the low 12s. A stripped down 330 or Savoy could dip into the 11s all day long!
6) The Dodge Tomahawk. Actually produced in limited numbers (Jay Leno has one for instance). I doubt the Z06 could ever reach a speed of 300 MPH nor do 0-60 MPH in 2.5 seconds!
7) The Dodge Viper Competition Coupe- a full out race car available for factory order. Get yours today! www.vipercompetitioncoupe.com
Anyways, if you need more examples of Z06 dominating Mopar power, please feel free to drop by.
I will give you a brief list of the first few that come to mind:
1) The 1969 Dodge Charger Daytona and 1970 Plymouth Superbirds (both the race versions AND the street versions). When the Chrysler Corporation was first testing the Charger Daytona at the Chelsea proving grounds, they reached a top speed of 243 MPH (this was the race version I am assuming). The full race cars were virtually untouchable on the NASCAR superspeedways until the day that they were outlawed. These cars had a coefficient of drag of only 0.28! A stock Hemi Daytona was once ran on the Bonneville Salt Flats and achieved a top speed of 211.7 MPH! Hmmmmmmmmmmm...I'd say that would beat the 2006 Z06's top speed of 198 MPH!
2) The 1968 Dodge Dart and Plymouth Barracuda Super Stock cars. These stripped down, 600 horsepower drag cars could run in the mid-10s stock! In fact, the Hemi Dart Super Sport held the quarter mile record for production cars until the day that the McLaren F1 came along! Sounds to me like the Z06 is smitten again with it's 11.5 second quarter-mile time.
3) The Chrysler ME-412. Not a production car yet, but when and if it is released...well...it would make the Z06 look like a Ford Tempo!
4) The 1967 R023 coded B-bodies. These 426 drag-hemi-powered monsters were 11 second cars straight out of the factory. Remember too that most of the stats for all these vintage beauties are taken from historical records from a time when radial tires were only first being conceptualized!
5) Any of the Max Wedge powered Dodges or Plymouths from 1962-1964. A loaded up Polara 500 with a stage III Max Wedge could hit the low 12s. A stripped down 330 or Savoy could dip into the 11s all day long!
6) The Dodge Tomahawk. Actually produced in limited numbers (Jay Leno has one for instance). I doubt the Z06 could ever reach a speed of 300 MPH nor do 0-60 MPH in 2.5 seconds!
7) The Dodge Viper Competition Coupe- a full out race car available for factory order. Get yours today! www.vipercompetitioncoupe.com
Anyways, if you need more examples of Z06 dominating Mopar power, please feel free to drop by.
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ORIGINAL: Dartman69
Why don't I ask how much rear wheel horsepower an LS6 makes?
Because I want to know how the bare engines perform against each other, not when bolted onto an entire drivetrain. I am comparing the engines, not the cars in this instance.
Why don't I ask how much rear wheel horsepower an LS6 makes?
Because I want to know how the bare engines perform against each other, not when bolted onto an entire drivetrain. I am comparing the engines, not the cars in this instance.
How smart is that? Engines needs a drive train so it is pointless to try to measure them without it. Unless you are trying to to verify SAE horsepower ratings. The LS6 is an awesome engine. The Hemi is a legendary and awesome engine but I doubt if your original question gets answered.
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In regards to your statement that no stock Dodge car could keep up with your Z06, thank you for reiterating that you are the farthest thing from a Mopar fan and do not belong on this forum. There are, in fact, many many Dodges, Plymouths, AND Chryslers (we won't include Mercedes in this argument just so that we don't embarass you too much!) that could give a Z06 a run for it's money/surpass it in 1 or more areas of performance.
I will give you a brief list of the first few that come to mind:
1) The 1969 Dodge Charger Daytona and 1970 Plymouth Superbirds (both the race versions AND the street versions). When the Chrysler Corporation was first testing the Charger Daytona at the Chelsea proving grounds, they reached a top speed of 243 MPH (this was the race version I am assuming). The full race cars were virtually untouchable on the NASCAR superspeedways until the day that they were outlawed. These cars had a coefficient of drag of only 0.28! A stock Hemi Daytona was once ran on the Bonneville Salt Flats and achieved a top speed of 211.7 MPH! Hmmmmmmmmmmm...I'd say that would beat the 2006 Z06's top speed of 198 MPH!
2) The 1968 Dodge Dart and Plymouth Barracuda Super Stock cars. These stripped down, 600 horsepower drag cars could run in the mid-10s stock! In fact, the Hemi Dart Super Sport held the quarter mile record for production cars until the day that the McLaren F1 came along! Sounds to me like the Z06 is smitten again with it's 11.5 second quarter-mile time.
3) The Chrysler ME-412. Not a production car yet, but when and if it is released...well...it would make the Z06 look like a Ford Tempo!
4) The 1967 R023 coded B-bodies. These 426 drag-hemi-powered monsters were 11 second cars straight out of the factory. Remember too that most of the stats for all these vintage beauties are taken from historical records from a time when radial tires were only first being conceptualized!
5) Any of the Max Wedge powered Dodges or Plymouths from 1962-1964. A loaded up Polara 500 with a stage III Max Wedge could hit the low 12s. A stripped down 330 or Savoy could dip into the 11s all day long!
6) The Dodge Tomahawk. Actually produced in limited numbers (Jay Leno has one for instance). I doubt the Z06 could ever reach a speed of 300 MPH nor do 0-60 MPH in 2.5 seconds!
7) The Dodge Viper Competition Coupe- a full out race car available for factory order. Get yours today! www.vipercompetitioncoupe.com
Anyways, if you need more examples of Z06 dominating Mopar power, please feel free to drop by.
In regards to your statement that no stock Dodge car could keep up with your Z06, thank you for reiterating that you are the farthest thing from a Mopar fan and do not belong on this forum. There are, in fact, many many Dodges, Plymouths, AND Chryslers (we won't include Mercedes in this argument just so that we don't embarass you too much!) that could give a Z06 a run for it's money/surpass it in 1 or more areas of performance.
I will give you a brief list of the first few that come to mind:
1) The 1969 Dodge Charger Daytona and 1970 Plymouth Superbirds (both the race versions AND the street versions). When the Chrysler Corporation was first testing the Charger Daytona at the Chelsea proving grounds, they reached a top speed of 243 MPH (this was the race version I am assuming). The full race cars were virtually untouchable on the NASCAR superspeedways until the day that they were outlawed. These cars had a coefficient of drag of only 0.28! A stock Hemi Daytona was once ran on the Bonneville Salt Flats and achieved a top speed of 211.7 MPH! Hmmmmmmmmmmm...I'd say that would beat the 2006 Z06's top speed of 198 MPH!
2) The 1968 Dodge Dart and Plymouth Barracuda Super Stock cars. These stripped down, 600 horsepower drag cars could run in the mid-10s stock! In fact, the Hemi Dart Super Sport held the quarter mile record for production cars until the day that the McLaren F1 came along! Sounds to me like the Z06 is smitten again with it's 11.5 second quarter-mile time.
3) The Chrysler ME-412. Not a production car yet, but when and if it is released...well...it would make the Z06 look like a Ford Tempo!
4) The 1967 R023 coded B-bodies. These 426 drag-hemi-powered monsters were 11 second cars straight out of the factory. Remember too that most of the stats for all these vintage beauties are taken from historical records from a time when radial tires were only first being conceptualized!
5) Any of the Max Wedge powered Dodges or Plymouths from 1962-1964. A loaded up Polara 500 with a stage III Max Wedge could hit the low 12s. A stripped down 330 or Savoy could dip into the 11s all day long!
6) The Dodge Tomahawk. Actually produced in limited numbers (Jay Leno has one for instance). I doubt the Z06 could ever reach a speed of 300 MPH nor do 0-60 MPH in 2.5 seconds!
7) The Dodge Viper Competition Coupe- a full out race car available for factory order. Get yours today! www.vipercompetitioncoupe.com
Anyways, if you need more examples of Z06 dominating Mopar power, please feel free to drop by.
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I just traded a 2004 Corvette MN6 Z51 coupe for a Charger SRT8. Although extremely fast so far, (only 65 miles) I think my corvette would have beaten it on the strip. For a 4160 pound car, this thing handles like it's on rails and has unbelievable acceleration. The seats are much more comfortable and, in my case, the SRT8 is more practical. But then again, who cares which one will beat the other, that's like comparing apples to oranges.
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The 0-60, 1/4 mile, top speed, and braking times ARE reasonably comparable between the 2004 Corvette Z06 and the 2006 Charger SRT-8 (though the 'vette of course is a touch better in each area). I'm not talking about the C6. I agree, the C6 Z06's performance is considerably greater than an SRT-8's. Never once was I trying to dispute that. Naturally, 'vettes and Chargers are two different breeds of cars, they always have been. I, being a proud SRT-8 owner, simply find it gratifying that I can be driving a 4 door sedan with performance that is nearly at the level of a very well recognized sports car.
Yes, SRTs average low 13s at the track. But, they have been seen time and time again to be able to break into the 12s. The proof is out there- why dispute it?
Why am I stupid for wanting to know how the bare engines stack up against each other?
Wouldn't you want to know how much drivetrain loss your engine suffers from etc, just to satisfy your own curiousity?
I would!
Frankly, I'm quite frustrated at how each of my posts are being blatantly attacked without just cause. I have not stated anything untrue nor biased in my posts. I respect the engineering put forth in all great performance cars equally. Why am I being preached at about the greatness of Z06s?
I appologize if I may have been rude in earlier posts, but I simply hate being accused of things that are untrue.
Yes, SRTs average low 13s at the track. But, they have been seen time and time again to be able to break into the 12s. The proof is out there- why dispute it?
Why am I stupid for wanting to know how the bare engines stack up against each other?
Wouldn't you want to know how much drivetrain loss your engine suffers from etc, just to satisfy your own curiousity?
I would!
Frankly, I'm quite frustrated at how each of my posts are being blatantly attacked without just cause. I have not stated anything untrue nor biased in my posts. I respect the engineering put forth in all great performance cars equally. Why am I being preached at about the greatness of Z06s?
I appologize if I may have been rude in earlier posts, but I simply hate being accused of things that are untrue.
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The 0-60, 1/4 mile, top speed, and braking times ARE reasonably comparable between the 2004 Corvette Z06 and the 2006 Charger SRT-8 (though the 'vette of course is a touch better in each area). I'm not talking about the C6. I agree, the C6 Z06's performance is considerably greater than an SRT-8's. Never once was I trying to dispute that. Naturally, 'vettes and Chargers are two different breeds of cars, they always have been. I, being a proud SRT-8 owner, simply find it gratifying that I can be driving a 4 door sedan with performance that is nearly at the level of a very well recognized sports car.
Yes, SRTs average low 13s at the track. But, they have been seen time and time again to be able to break into the 12s. The proof is out there- why dispute it?
Why am I stupid for wanting to know how the bare engines stack up against each other?
Wouldn't you want to know how much drivetrain loss your engine suffers from etc, just to satisfy your own curiousity?
I would!
Frankly, I'm quite frustrated at how each of my posts are being blatantly attacked without just cause. I have not stated anything untrue nor biased in my posts. I respect the engineering put forth in all great performance cars equally. Why am I being preached at about the greatness of Z06s?
I appologize if I may have been rude in earlier posts, but I simply hate being accused of things that are untrue.
The 0-60, 1/4 mile, top speed, and braking times ARE reasonably comparable between the 2004 Corvette Z06 and the 2006 Charger SRT-8 (though the 'vette of course is a touch better in each area). I'm not talking about the C6. I agree, the C6 Z06's performance is considerably greater than an SRT-8's. Never once was I trying to dispute that. Naturally, 'vettes and Chargers are two different breeds of cars, they always have been. I, being a proud SRT-8 owner, simply find it gratifying that I can be driving a 4 door sedan with performance that is nearly at the level of a very well recognized sports car.
Yes, SRTs average low 13s at the track. But, they have been seen time and time again to be able to break into the 12s. The proof is out there- why dispute it?
Why am I stupid for wanting to know how the bare engines stack up against each other?
Wouldn't you want to know how much drivetrain loss your engine suffers from etc, just to satisfy your own curiousity?
I would!
Frankly, I'm quite frustrated at how each of my posts are being blatantly attacked without just cause. I have not stated anything untrue nor biased in my posts. I respect the engineering put forth in all great performance cars equally. Why am I being preached at about the greatness of Z06s?
I appologize if I may have been rude in earlier posts, but I simply hate being accused of things that are untrue.
We are both obviously biased but please go back and show me where your posts have been attacked. I just don't see anything like that. You have a right to your opinion and if someone dissagrees that doesn't mean that they are wrong. What have you been accused of? And where is all this drama coming from? Having all that said you have my appologies as well.
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This isnt meant to bash as i love the SRT8 platform, and i was looking to buy a SRT8 Charger as my D.D., But the dealer mark up is crazy 52k for a SRT8... I only paid 57k for my vette. Anyway, It all depends on what year Z06 you raced. Some have 385, 405, and of course the 06 Z06 with 505 hp. A race with a c5 vette and an SRT8 would be close. The SRT8 has 75 extra ponies but weighs 700-800 lbs more. The SRT8 would almost have to have a 'perfect' race to beat the vette. (the vette has more margin for error)So basically, it would be drivers race. Now this i can speak on with 100% accuracy, my 05 C6 Z51 auto runs consistent 12.5-12.6 in hot August heat. I can beat my Brother-in-laws Charger SRT in the 1/4 mile hands down(several car lengths) and from impromptu highway rolls(again very easy) The C6 really launches when you address the Torque management issue. I think the C6 can beat the SRT's fairly easily because of the HP to weight ratio , and the aerodynamics. 3100 lbs vs 4000 lbs with only a 25 hp difference. By Brother-in-Laws SRT8 usually runs low 13's(13.2-13.1s) best was high 12's(12.9ish i believe)05 C6 vette(z51 manual 0-60 4.1-4.2 mile top speed 186! The SRT8 is an AWESOME piece of machinery, it just so darn heavy and lacks good aerodynamics. By the way my C6 currently only has Corsa exhaust. I have a Vara-ram CAI, and a Yank torque convertor that has to be installed. Hopefully thos two mods will get me into the low's. 12's. If anyone knows of a reasonably priced SRT8 Charger in the S. Jersey area let me know. I went to at least 6 dealers and couldnt find any. Vann Dodge in Vineland gave me a price of 52k if i order one. Good luck and be safe with your chargers guys
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Coming directly from my own personal experience- you WILL beat him in a race. Corvettes are a dime a dozen in my hometown (almost as common as Mustangs!). On average, I'd say that I race a Corvette at least once every week during the summer months.
On a side note, I raced an '04 Z06 just two days ago- I was surprised at how well my Charger stuck with him. It was a very short race (about two blocks at most), but he only pulled ahead ever so slightly (never more than a car length). In fact, I discovered after that the elbow connecting my throttle body to my cold air intake (the only mod I have at this point) had loosened off allowing for a small air leak. So who knows? That small leak might have made a big difference. *shrugs* I guess I won't know until I race him again.
It just goes to show that not all "fast-looking-cars" are as quick as they look.
Coming directly from my own personal experience- you WILL beat him in a race. Corvettes are a dime a dozen in my hometown (almost as common as Mustangs!). On average, I'd say that I race a Corvette at least once every week during the summer months.
On a side note, I raced an '04 Z06 just two days ago- I was surprised at how well my Charger stuck with him. It was a very short race (about two blocks at most), but he only pulled ahead ever so slightly (never more than a car length). In fact, I discovered after that the elbow connecting my throttle body to my cold air intake (the only mod I have at this point) had loosened off allowing for a small air leak. So who knows? That small leak might have made a big difference. *shrugs* I guess I won't know until I race him again.
It just goes to show that not all "fast-looking-cars" are as quick as they look.