Boy this car moves out
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ORIGINAL: DarkHorse
I think you'll find it's 6% to 8% better than an standard auto box, not a manual. Here in the UK the 2.0 was only sold with a CVT, so I am getting used to it now, but I do wonder what a manual would've been like...
I think you'll find it's 6% to 8% better than an standard auto box, not a manual. Here in the UK the 2.0 was only sold with a CVT, so I am getting used to it now, but I do wonder what a manual would've been like...
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ORIGINAL: shiltz
Like I said though, it isn't, the 07 Sebring uses the same engine but with a standard 4 speed auto box, the Sebring is also almost 150lbs heavier, the Sebring gets 5MPG better fuel economy on the highway, same city, the Manual on the Caliber should be much better too, I haven't seen the official EPA on the caliber FWD manual but the Jeep Compass 2.4L FWD manual gets 26/30, and seeing that standard 4-5 speed auto boxes already meet/beat manuals in fuel economy the fact that the CVT is 2city/3highway worse tells me it sucks. The CVT is the one thing that put the Caliber out of the running if I end up having to get rid of my Magnum, if it was avaliable with a standard 4-5 speed auto it would have been at the top of my list.
Like I said though, it isn't, the 07 Sebring uses the same engine but with a standard 4 speed auto box, the Sebring is also almost 150lbs heavier, the Sebring gets 5MPG better fuel economy on the highway, same city, the Manual on the Caliber should be much better too, I haven't seen the official EPA on the caliber FWD manual but the Jeep Compass 2.4L FWD manual gets 26/30, and seeing that standard 4-5 speed auto boxes already meet/beat manuals in fuel economy the fact that the CVT is 2city/3highway worse tells me it sucks. The CVT is the one thing that put the Caliber out of the running if I end up having to get rid of my Magnum, if it was avaliable with a standard 4-5 speed auto it would have been at the top of my list.
I still wonder how much better a manual gearbox would be, the CVT box must have some losses I feel. That said, now I have had a CVT I would not part with it, it's brilliant in traffic, slow moving queues, and makes towing a dream. The 6 speed manual simulation is different but certainly fun too.
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Actually the Caliber's CVT2 is made by the same company that makes Nissan's CVT's.
Having said that, I think these R/T CVT's are slow as all hell. I own one, with 11,300 miles, so I have experience with it. Basically, I can't believe people say its fast for a 4 cyl. Man, we had a 2006 Ford Fusion 4 cyl with a 5 speed manual, and not only did that thing walk all over my Caliber, but it did it while getting almost 10 MPG better on the highway.
We turned the Fusion in for an 07' Milan with a V6 with an Auto, and my god, that thing is one of the fastest production cars (that isn't a sports car) that I have ever been in.
I am really pretty depressed by how slow the Caliber is. Honestly the only reason I got it over a Fusion was the AWD for the price.
Hell, our V6 Escape is faster than the Caliber. I mean, I know its a V6, but at the same time, its an Escape... But at least the Caliber gets better mileage than that thing.
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Oh yeah, don't even want to get started on the 10 to 0 ratio of problems with my first year Caliber vs problems with our first year Fusion.
I know this is a Dodge site, and all in all, I have fun with the Caliber, but I honestly think Dodge screwed up with certain parts of this car. And no, this isn't a Ford vs Dodge thing, I think Ford made a big mistake with the Focus... There are just mistakes that I do not understand how a company as old as either Ford or Chrysler can still be making.
Having said that, I think these R/T CVT's are slow as all hell. I own one, with 11,300 miles, so I have experience with it. Basically, I can't believe people say its fast for a 4 cyl. Man, we had a 2006 Ford Fusion 4 cyl with a 5 speed manual, and not only did that thing walk all over my Caliber, but it did it while getting almost 10 MPG better on the highway.
We turned the Fusion in for an 07' Milan with a V6 with an Auto, and my god, that thing is one of the fastest production cars (that isn't a sports car) that I have ever been in.
I am really pretty depressed by how slow the Caliber is. Honestly the only reason I got it over a Fusion was the AWD for the price.
Hell, our V6 Escape is faster than the Caliber. I mean, I know its a V6, but at the same time, its an Escape... But at least the Caliber gets better mileage than that thing.
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Oh yeah, don't even want to get started on the 10 to 0 ratio of problems with my first year Caliber vs problems with our first year Fusion.
I know this is a Dodge site, and all in all, I have fun with the Caliber, but I honestly think Dodge screwed up with certain parts of this car. And no, this isn't a Ford vs Dodge thing, I think Ford made a big mistake with the Focus... There are just mistakes that I do not understand how a company as old as either Ford or Chrysler can still be making.
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Chryslers CVT-2 is an old gen CVT (2nd gen to Chrysler but way behind current CVT technology), and while they say it's 6-8% better fuel economy that's 100% percent false, for example, a FWD Caliber with the 2.4L and CTV gets 24/27, the FWD Sebring which is almost 150lbs heavier with the same 2.4L and a traditinoal 4 speed auto gets 24/32, making the CVT almost 16% worse highway and only the same city.
Chryslers CVT-2 is an old gen CVT (2nd gen to Chrysler but way behind current CVT technology), and while they say it's 6-8% better fuel economy that's 100% percent false, for example, a FWD Caliber with the 2.4L and CTV gets 24/27, the FWD Sebring which is almost 150lbs heavier with the same 2.4L and a traditinoal 4 speed auto gets 24/32, making the CVT almost 16% worse highway and only the same city.
the cvt has other advantages rather than fuel saving mainly smoothnes, no harsh shifting, linear acceleration,and having the proper gear ratio
at all time. i drove audi A4 2l cvt 2003, and compared to the caliber cvt it is "pre historic era".
maybe you are not happy with your cvt but no need to publish facts that are far from reality.
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What tranny does the SRT4s come with and have they hit the road yet?
I'm going to do the same to those that I do when I come up on a Neon SRT4 on the road... total respect - smile big & thumbs up. Their insanely fast, especially so when moded.
I'm going to do the same to those that I do when I come up on a Neon SRT4 on the road... total respect - smile big & thumbs up. Their insanely fast, especially so when moded.
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Yes, the Caliber can pass other cars fairly well if its starting speed is say, 30 to 50mph. However, the acceleration from 0 to 20mph is dismal. I've heard that you can "train" the CVT to have better acceleration. If you start from 0mphin L(low) & shift to D once you reach 25mph for a day or so, the CVTsupposedly"trains" itself to have better acceleration when you eventually use just the D setting. I'll try it & see. Has anyone else heard of this procedure?
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Actually the Caliber's CVT2 is made by the same company that makes Nissan's CVT's.
Having said that, I think these R/T CVT's are slow as all hell. I own one, with 11,300 miles, so I have experience with it. Basically, I can't believe people say its fast for a 4 cyl. Man, we had a 2006 Ford Fusion 4 cyl with a 5 speed manual, and not only did that thing walk all over my Caliber, but it did it while getting almost 10 MPG better on the highway.
We turned the Fusion in for an 07' Milan with a V6 with an Auto, and my god, that thing is one of the fastest production cars (that isn't a sports car) that I have ever been in.
I am really pretty depressed by how slow the Caliber is. Honestly the only reason I got it over a Fusion was the AWD for the price.
Hell, our V6 Escape is faster than the Caliber. I mean, I know its a V6, but at the same time, its an Escape... But at least the Caliber gets better mileage than that thing.
Edit:
Oh yeah, don't even want to get started on the 10 to 0 ratio of problems with my first year Caliber vs problems with our first year Fusion.
I know this is a Dodge site, and all in all, I have fun with the Caliber, but I honestly think Dodge screwed up with certain parts of this car. And no, this isn't a Ford vs Dodge thing, I think Ford made a big mistake with the Focus... There are just mistakes that I do not understand how a company as old as either Ford or Chrysler can still be making.
Actually the Caliber's CVT2 is made by the same company that makes Nissan's CVT's.
Having said that, I think these R/T CVT's are slow as all hell. I own one, with 11,300 miles, so I have experience with it. Basically, I can't believe people say its fast for a 4 cyl. Man, we had a 2006 Ford Fusion 4 cyl with a 5 speed manual, and not only did that thing walk all over my Caliber, but it did it while getting almost 10 MPG better on the highway.
We turned the Fusion in for an 07' Milan with a V6 with an Auto, and my god, that thing is one of the fastest production cars (that isn't a sports car) that I have ever been in.
I am really pretty depressed by how slow the Caliber is. Honestly the only reason I got it over a Fusion was the AWD for the price.
Hell, our V6 Escape is faster than the Caliber. I mean, I know its a V6, but at the same time, its an Escape... But at least the Caliber gets better mileage than that thing.
Edit:
Oh yeah, don't even want to get started on the 10 to 0 ratio of problems with my first year Caliber vs problems with our first year Fusion.
I know this is a Dodge site, and all in all, I have fun with the Caliber, but I honestly think Dodge screwed up with certain parts of this car. And no, this isn't a Ford vs Dodge thing, I think Ford made a big mistake with the Focus... There are just mistakes that I do not understand how a company as old as either Ford or Chrysler can still be making.
You must of had a 1.8 liter caliber.Believe me when i say,theres is nobody on the road walking all over my 2.4 liter caliber.
